Let’s forget, for a moment, about global warming and the environment, and just forget about the fact that EVs are cheaper and better to drive. Let’s talk about national security, the economy, and sovereignty. Because we can’t have it while we’re dependent on other nations for oil. Let’s transition to electric vehicles, of all types, and then we don’t have to worry about energy anymore. Of course, then we’re still dependent on China for batteries but that’s a different problem that we can actually solve.
Ironically the reason there’s so much lifepo4 batteries available from china despite the tech being USA invented is that there was a patent on the tech in USA, which is a factor in why nobody developed it, but china being china they didn’t care about the bourgeois patents and built up a huge industry around batteries - and now the patent expired.
They’ve been “starting production” for 20 years. I’ll believe it when I see it. And by “see it” I mean cars being actively sold that have been validated by 3rd parties.
Are they? I’m currently looking at buying a car and according to my rough estimates, they’re so much more expensive that the cost of gas doesn’t really even matter much.
The point is they COULD be cheaper if our current admin didn’t go balls deep back into oil. Other countries make extremely affordable EV cars. The US chose to enter the EV market with 6 figure electric trucks, and “entry level” evs that cost 40k plus, and then get confused why no one buys them.
Most EVs are comparable in cost to similarly featured ICE counterparts, but the manufacturers have mostly chosen to compete higher up the price ladder.
The Tesla Model 3 starts at $38k and can go up to about $55k with certain features. That’s similarly priced to a Lexus ES or a BMW 3 series, which I think is roughly its competition in terms of luxury features, performance, etc.
The Hyundai Ionic 5 and Kia EV6 seem to be competing with things like the Toyota RAV4 and the Honda CR-V, and seem to be similarly priced between $35,000 and $50,000.
I know less about the higher end market segments ($75k+), but at a glance the EV BMWs, Porsches, and Volvos seem to be similarly priced as their gasoline counterparts.
Really, though, as the 2020-2025 models hit the used market we’ll see a lot more used vehicles at affordable prices.
And once purchased, the actual cost of operation and maintenance is much cheaper. Not just the gasoline, but also oil changes and other stuff that comes from lots of different fluids flowing around (valves, seals, pumps), air needing to flow through the engine to support combustion, and the transmission of the rotational energy of the engine’s narrow range of efficient rotational speeds to the wheels across the entire speed range of the vehicle. EV tires tend to be more expensive and wear out quicker, but the overall cost of maintenance is much lower for EVs than internal combustion.
I think all the truly cheap ones aren’t in production this year, a few years ago a Chevy bolt with the tax incentive was literally the cheapest vehicle to buy with a warranty and a loan, period, and that includes 3-4 year old used vehicles (no tax incentive and worse interest, sticker price was lower).
Bro ev is a bullshit solution gift to the capitalist elites. Public transportation in a reliable network is far “greener” and faster. Edit- I just looked what community this was sorry lol
Let’s forget, for a moment, about global warming and the environment, and just forget about the fact that EVs are cheaper and better to drive. Let’s talk about national security, the economy, and sovereignty. Because we can’t have it while we’re dependent on other nations for oil. Let’s transition to electric vehicles, of all types, and then we don’t have to worry about energy anymore. Of course, then we’re still dependent on China for batteries but that’s a different problem that we can actually solve.
Ironically the reason there’s so much lifepo4 batteries available from china despite the tech being USA invented is that there was a patent on the tech in USA, which is a factor in why nobody developed it, but china being china they didn’t care about the bourgeois patents and built up a huge industry around batteries - and now the patent expired.
And now they are starting mass production of sodium batteries that are not affected by cold, and solid state battery production begins next year.
They’ve been “starting production” for 20 years. I’ll believe it when I see it. And by “see it” I mean cars being actively sold that have been validated by 3rd parties.
War is profitable. You must buy oil so we can continue to justify this horrible profitable thing.
I could be wrong but I think certain battery chemistries aren’t as reliant. Such as NMC.
Are they? I’m currently looking at buying a car and according to my rough estimates, they’re so much more expensive that the cost of gas doesn’t really even matter much.
The point is they COULD be cheaper if our current admin didn’t go balls deep back into oil. Other countries make extremely affordable EV cars. The US chose to enter the EV market with 6 figure electric trucks, and “entry level” evs that cost 40k plus, and then get confused why no one buys them.
Most EVs are comparable in cost to similarly featured ICE counterparts, but the manufacturers have mostly chosen to compete higher up the price ladder.
The Tesla Model 3 starts at $38k and can go up to about $55k with certain features. That’s similarly priced to a Lexus ES or a BMW 3 series, which I think is roughly its competition in terms of luxury features, performance, etc.
The Hyundai Ionic 5 and Kia EV6 seem to be competing with things like the Toyota RAV4 and the Honda CR-V, and seem to be similarly priced between $35,000 and $50,000.
I know less about the higher end market segments ($75k+), but at a glance the EV BMWs, Porsches, and Volvos seem to be similarly priced as their gasoline counterparts.
Really, though, as the 2020-2025 models hit the used market we’ll see a lot more used vehicles at affordable prices.
And once purchased, the actual cost of operation and maintenance is much cheaper. Not just the gasoline, but also oil changes and other stuff that comes from lots of different fluids flowing around (valves, seals, pumps), air needing to flow through the engine to support combustion, and the transmission of the rotational energy of the engine’s narrow range of efficient rotational speeds to the wheels across the entire speed range of the vehicle. EV tires tend to be more expensive and wear out quicker, but the overall cost of maintenance is much lower for EVs than internal combustion.
You have to look beyond gas and look at total cost of ownership. Not to mention the time spent taking your vehicle in for service on a regular basis.
I think all the truly cheap ones aren’t in production this year, a few years ago a Chevy bolt with the tax incentive was literally the cheapest vehicle to buy with a warranty and a loan, period, and that includes 3-4 year old used vehicles (no tax incentive and worse interest, sticker price was lower).
Bro ev is a bullshit solution gift to the capitalist elites. Public transportation in a reliable network is far “greener” and faster. Edit- I just looked what community this was sorry lol
Bro EV = electric vehicle
Public transportation either already is or can be transitioned to electric as well.
I known car icon when I sees one!
Huh?