Unfortunately I’m not in the business of paying Jstor for papers, but the abstract has a lot of "may limit"s and "However, past studies have reported conflicting results"s before coming to the conclusion that it indeed suppresses votes (though not telling me how for free, of course, and doesn’t offer any information about those conflicting studies. Were they done wrong or was this one? Only someone willing to pay can know).
And yet still I’ve never met anyone who didn’t have an ID, and I don’t even live in a voter ID state btw just one with people who need to live a normal life and to do so they must have an ID post- (and in many cases pre-) 18. Not only that but the POC I know so far (asked two now) all tell me it’s racist to assume POC can’t get IDs and everyone they know (who can legally get one) has one too. I’m also not in the business of developing racist thought processes because it makes some white guy feel good to help the noble savages, so I’m still gonna listen to the experiences of the POC I know when they tell me they indeed are just as capable of going to the DMV as any white person.
@ArcaneSlime I’d be happy to send you the paper (or there are other ways you can get it if you check into a “hub” of "sci"ence.)
The point of acknowledging conflicts in previous work is to explain the need for the current work. That doesn’t mean the current work doesn’t clarify the issue.
More importantly, the results of the study suggest voter suppression for all groups and only more notably for Latinxs despite previous research showing that minorities do have more difficulty getting IDs.
Well if I can find it I’ll look into it, but then again if the study says it doesn’t disproportionately affect POC then it agrees with me on that part.
I still however don’t know one single white adult without an ID either, you already need it for more than voting, and I can’t see how showing the thing you literally carry in your pocket or purse 24/7 out of necessity already suppresses all votes either. I’m one of the paranoid assholes that hates identifying myself on every website and at every store just so I can get a big mac or an online service, I obscure my identity as much as humanly possible, I hate AI, facial recognition, ALPRs, Flock, 2fa through text, I don’t even fly I take trains instead despite the inconvenience just because of all the invasive TSA horse shit (and maybe a little of “flying scary,” I’ll admit lol), and I STILL wouldn’t even give a second thought about having to show ID to vote. Hell, when I do vote and they just ask my name and check me off the list, I’m tempted to drive to my non-voting friend’s neighborhood and vote as/for him every time (I never have, but there’s literally nothing but my own morality stopping me from acquiescing to temptation), but that also gives me the thought of “I cannot be the first person to think of that, hope nobody does it to me one day lol.” Bro my polling place doesn’t even have cameras, it’d literally be impossible to catch me, I couldn’t do it on a mass scale of course but I could 100% do it and someone could 100% do it to me, all they need is my name and publically listed address.
Unfortunately I’m not in the business of paying Jstor for papers, but the abstract has a lot of "may limit"s and "However, past studies have reported conflicting results"s before coming to the conclusion that it indeed suppresses votes (though not telling me how for free, of course, and doesn’t offer any information about those conflicting studies. Were they done wrong or was this one? Only someone willing to pay can know).
And yet still I’ve never met anyone who didn’t have an ID, and I don’t even live in a voter ID state btw just one with people who need to live a normal life and to do so they must have an ID post- (and in many cases pre-) 18. Not only that but the POC I know so far (asked two now) all tell me it’s racist to assume POC can’t get IDs and everyone they know (who can legally get one) has one too. I’m also not in the business of developing racist thought processes because it makes some white guy feel good to help the noble savages, so I’m still gonna listen to the experiences of the POC I know when they tell me they indeed are just as capable of going to the DMV as any white person.
@ArcaneSlime I’d be happy to send you the paper (or there are other ways you can get it if you check into a “hub” of "sci"ence.)
The point of acknowledging conflicts in previous work is to explain the need for the current work. That doesn’t mean the current work doesn’t clarify the issue.
More importantly, the results of the study suggest voter suppression for all groups and only more notably for Latinxs despite previous research showing that minorities do have more difficulty getting IDs.
Well if I can find it I’ll look into it, but then again if the study says it doesn’t disproportionately affect POC then it agrees with me on that part.
I still however don’t know one single white adult without an ID either, you already need it for more than voting, and I can’t see how showing the thing you literally carry in your pocket or purse 24/7 out of necessity already suppresses all votes either. I’m one of the paranoid assholes that hates identifying myself on every website and at every store just so I can get a big mac or an online service, I obscure my identity as much as humanly possible, I hate AI, facial recognition, ALPRs, Flock, 2fa through text, I don’t even fly I take trains instead despite the inconvenience just because of all the invasive TSA horse shit (and maybe a little of “flying scary,” I’ll admit lol), and I STILL wouldn’t even give a second thought about having to show ID to vote. Hell, when I do vote and they just ask my name and check me off the list, I’m tempted to drive to my non-voting friend’s neighborhood and vote as/for him every time (I never have, but there’s literally nothing but my own morality stopping me from acquiescing to temptation), but that also gives me the thought of “I cannot be the first person to think of that, hope nobody does it to me one day lol.” Bro my polling place doesn’t even have cameras, it’d literally be impossible to catch me, I couldn’t do it on a mass scale of course but I could 100% do it and someone could 100% do it to me, all they need is my name and publically listed address.