Laws only work if there is a penalty for breaking them. Example: it is against the law not to release the Epstien files … but what is the penalty for breaking that law? Nothing was written in. The same for ICE, no one is checking them and they are staying out of Castle Law states.
It’s against the Constitution for insurrectionists to hold federal office. Yet here we are.
If they don’t respect the 4th amendment they get the second amendment
Laws only work one way now.
Ah, the classic, “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” -Francis M. Wilhoit
It isn’t legal, and the Constitution expliclty forbids this.
Welcome to fascism, did you think for some reason … words written on paper would… restrain them or matter in anyway?
They are fascists.
Their whole thing is … truth doesn’t exist, language is a weapon, not a means of reaching a mutual understanding.
They only understand one thing, and that is violent force, and the physical and societal logistics that make it possible.
If your game plan for resisting fascists is ‘but that’s illegal!’, you’ve already lost.
It’s an ideology that has proven to resort to violence and genocide rather than admit fault, let alone wrongdoing.
You guys haven’t really had rights for a while, by the sounds of it.
Here is the thing, we did but rights can go away just that fast. The people in charge of this mess have been making the exact argument that you have. That it’s been a slippery slope.
The speed and force that our rights have been eliminated has been quick. There have been huge structural problems. But there were MANY properly functioning public servants that protected citizens rights as their job.
It’s been fast. There were the mass firings as part of Doge, the firing of career servants at the FBI and department of justice . That is all it took for the the expansion of ICE.
Its the mass of rank and file civil servants that preserve the functioning of democracy. This has been subverted so quickly most people don’t understand what has already happened.
Black people been saying. everyone else just refuses to listen
(except for native americans, they been saying it the longest, they just don’t have the presence of messaging because they’ve been pushed so far into the margins)
Naw but we got Mountain Dew buckets, cheeseburgers, and AR-15s in high school! Wooohooo!!! Thank Jesus I’m not a pinko Commie!!!
Wow look at those big bois. I bet they go home, scream at their kids, then beat their wife and dog.
Kick the wife and fuck the dog.
The main question is how legal would it be to shoot at masked armed gang breaking into your home to kidnap you and your family without any judicial warrant.
Because that is exactly what the 2nd amendment is for
“Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6”
I mean FFS, at this point ICE might kill you just for fun.
Immigration proceedings aren’t before a full court with a jury. It’s an administrative proceeding. So, there isn’t even the 12.
I’m pretty sure the trial involving the self defense against armed masked gangs would not be an immigration court.
This is very satisfying in a schadenfreude kind of way. I have been lectured to by Americans and those influenced by them for decades about the importance of their constitutional freedoms to shoot children and spread hate speech.
Some liberal western democracies don’t even have a codified constitution and still have better human rights and fairer government than the USA. Without a well functioning representative democracy with preferential or proportional voting, concentrating enormous executive power in a single tyrant without strong protections was always obviously exploitable.
I think a lot of them are still living in denial and think the good guys are going to come in and defend the constitution at the last minute. Hope they are right. It is one hell of a gamble for them and the rest of us.
Laws are only laws when they’re enforced. After decades of training law enforcement to hate and fear the average citizen, they don’t care to enforce laws that exist to protect those citizens.
And don’t tell me it’s always been that way. It’s a matter of degrees and there’s been a effort for decades to normalize police violence. It was bad, but it’s been engineered to be worse.
You’re forgetting the “Nobody is going to stop me” exemption. The constitution is just a piece of paper if nobody is willing to defend it.
It’s exactly as legal or illegal as it was when Obama was doing it.
The law only exists so far as it is enforced. Who will enforce the law against the state? Political power grows out the barrel of a gun.
It isn’t legal. And they haven’t changed the law. It’s just now their policy to ignore the law.
Right now they’re trying to “shock and awe” everyone into submission and compliance before the law catches up with them.
What do you want to bet at some point when ICE and Miller go too far that whistleblowers inside ICE dig up the lists of the recent hires and slip them off to the various states that they are active in, for the states to bring charges?
Good gravy, if I was working in an ICE office, you BET that surrpetitiously making backups of all the HR files documenting which people are going where, would be my main agenda.
Trump can pardon all he wants, but the states can still make these goose-stepping fuckers pay…
What do you want to bet at some point when ICE and Miller go too far that whistleblowers inside ICE dig up the lists of the recent hires and slip them off to the various states that they are active in, for the states to bring charges?
A short while back they murdered an innocent civilian by shooting her in the face and just recently kidnapped a 5 year old child.
If neither of those was “too far” then there is no “too far” for them. There will be no whistle blowers. ICE is evil.
There have already been whistleblowers.
I wouldn’t discount the possibility of whistleblowers. Even in Nazi Germany there were people who needed time to follow their conscience - those who only comply out of fear of personal consequences might still find the courage to do what is right.
I’m thinking it’s likely to happen once a point has been reached that the Trump Administration is distracted and/or weak enough that a whistleblower can come forwards and do so without ending up in a Federal prison. It’s not going to happen anytime soon, but once the cracks in the administration get too large to paint over…
A lot of people who could do more are still doing the math between being complicit in this and ruining their lives, which is a real possibility if they act before securing some kind of support from the opposition or a resistance movement gets more organized. They’ll have to be convinced the risk is worth it and action could result real change before they go for it.
The problem isn’t necessarily finding people opposed to what’s happening, but making them believe that change can happen and they’ll be alright in the end if they join the resistance.
There was just a leak of 4500 ICE agents.
There’s a bunch of proud boys and other criminals. The state should just adopt a mandatory policy of stopping any ice agents that they find unmasking them and verifying that they have clean records before letting them go or resting them.
They are 100% going to leave these morons holding the bag. They are pulling shit like SHOWING them a hard copy of these orders and then keeping it so there is zero evidence linking their conduct back to their leadership. The buck stops with the dumbasses on the ground.
Dumbasses Indeed…
https://www.wired.com/story/ice-agents-are-doxing-themselves/
Man, “secret police” went from hyperbole to reality REALLY fucking fast.
The asswipes have yet to apply their SS and NKVD home invasions in a Stand Your Ground Oblast.
Minnesota supports castle doctrine, or so I’ve read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
We have ceded civil liberties when within 100 miles of a boarder, this happened decades ago and most politicians were ok with it because it didn’t make the news… just a quiet tool in the toolbox…
Well, the tool is now being used
Don’t airports count as borders as well?
I thought that it was specifically international airports. I heard they were doing ICE raids in the town outside of Pittsburgh International Airport (Robinson, PA). I haven’t seen any ICE personally in PGH but I’ve hear coworkers and friends talk about it.
Hey neighbor! They’re down here in wheeling, wv also. Wheeling sorta has an airport, but its for small, private planes only, I believe. Stay safe…
technically, no, but airport security workers of all flavors can refer individuals to ICE if they deem it necessary
True but this current development is even worse, as you may see that Minneapolis isn’t in that zone.
Issue is, this isn’t boarder patrol, this is immigration control. But international airports count as the 100 miles radius as well. And things like inland ports. So this map is incorrect on enforcement for this as well.
From my understanding no the border rule stops at customs.
Yes and we have customs at international airports we also have customs at inland ports we have customs at anywhere that rail receives and rail yards distribute.
Yes but the 100 mile rule does not apply to air ports. The exception stops at the point of entry and domestic flights are exempt from the border exceptions because people do not go through customs.
§ 287.1 Definitions. (a)
(1) External boundary. The term external boundary, as used in section 287(a)(3) of the Act, means the land boundaries and the territorial sea of the United States extending 12 nautical miles from the baselines of the United States determined in accordance with international law.
(2) Reasonable distance. The term reasonable distance, as used in section 287(a) (3) of the Act, means within 100 air miles from any external boundary of the United States or any shorter distance which may be fixed by the chief patrol agent for CBP, or the special agent in charge for ICE, or, so far as the power to board and search aircraft is concerned any distance fixed pursuant to paragraph (b) of this section.
