People with actual higher scores don’t need it to be explained, and people with lower scores don’t want it to be explained.
Not to brag, but I’m in the top 100% of IQ scores.
I remember doing the Mensa free test for shits and giggles in high school. Basically just gave you a “129+” estimated score and told you they couldnt “estimate higher” due to it not being a “complete test” and then wanted your to book an in-person IQ test for +100€. I just found it so funny how much snob copium Mensa is, like theres no way I have 129+ IQ. If I would care enough to find out i wouldnt pay 100€ either. At best IQ is an irrelevant metric at worst its used by terrible people who think IQ is an all-encompassing intelligence metric to boast about how allegedly smart they are.
Paying for an IQ test is a test in itself. If you pay that much to get a number you can’t be that smart.
I’m sorry to report that in order to see the results, you basically fail the IQ test:
It’s a very dark pattern, they ask the $2 only after 40 minutes of questions and after getting your email for spam. Then they show that classic fake loading and fake elaborating screens. At that point you’re exhausted and just pay
Aha, the Intuit trick of making you fill out your “free” tax return for 3 hours before demanding $300
How could It be more clear? It literally says in a room of 1000 you’re smarter than 345.
The irony of the whole thing is actually pretty funny
Lol fantastic shitpost
Even better if it’s genuine
Friends:
hisses though teeth
“That’s good, buddy, good for you!”
Shouldn’t this be on the shitpost community??
Also the actual “bell curve” is a lot more top heavy, and IQ is for peasants cosplaying as snobs.
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Maybe it should just say “this means your intelligence is below average”. I genuinely think someone with <80 IQ would have a very low chance of understanding the text as presented in the screenshot.
Stupid people are people with human rights too, and they should be considered with empathy when building a society. That should be particularly obvious to a site that performs IQ tests. For every person with an IQ above 100, there’s a person below.
The thing is, people with low IQ and stupid people are two different groups. My IQ was once tested over 140, and I have done, and still sometimes do, some pretty stupid stuff. I can also be quite dense.
It measures you information processing capacity - not wisdom. High IQ people quite famously aren’t always the nicest ones to be around.
I didn’t just use charisma as a dump stat… wisdom too!
Just took a test out of curiosity, but the result screen is much different.
Disclaimer: Don’t take too much of the score for granted, the test isn’t that comprehensive, and just by knowing basic math and intermediate logic you may reach a similar score.
A “real” IQ test also scores you on different types of skills, or at least the one I was given to take did. I ended up above average on things such as math and logic skills while scoring below average on language skills, which, knowing me sounds about right.
Yeah, there was nothing about language in it, but I took it anyway just for the sake of it.
Wish I could take an official one, purely out of curiosity.
I have always wondered why language skills are in an IQ test. If someone speaks 1 language he’ll be better off than someone speaking 3 as the test is only in one language?
Did you really pay them? I just did the test and now it’s asking for 2€
Yeah, I had to pay, I don’t think there’s a way around that but I didn’t mind.
I’m wondering the same.
If you pay the 2€, remember to unsubsribe from the monthly subsciption that those sneaky bastards sign you up for.
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I humbly request that you see one of my other comments in this thread and reconsider the use of the “R” word. I won’t repeat it here so I don’t “spam up” the thread.
I agree with your stance on the other comment (really appreciate you taking the time to write the post), however since this one in particular is a direct quote from a movie I think its grey enough to let slide.
What’s up with the word making a comeback tho? Rise of fascism in general and all the sludge it raises?
The word is making a comeback because people are fucking retarded.
K.
What’s up with the word making a comeback tho?
Maybe people are just realizing that magic words don’t actually exist. There are infinite ways to be an asshole in the world without ever uttering a forbidden phrase.
I think its grey enough to let slide.
I censor when I quote from Blazing Saddles, but I’m not attempting to say you’re making an incorrect decision - we all decide what we’re okay with, and… dammit, I can’t write this to sufficiently indicate I’m not judging (while disagreeing mildly), but I’m not. lol.
fascism
That’s my theory. The bigots have come back out of their closet and are taking pride and joy in being bigots. “I can say what I like and you little snowflakes can deal with it!” (until we say something they find offensive)
I suppose it’s the least of our worries considering all the other harm that’s been done and is being done, but it[1] certainly contributes.
The racism/bigotry in general ↩︎
Sorry
No apology required - at least not to me. But thank you <3
Yeah, no. This word was attacked by a monied campaign and it is 100% not a problem.
Doubling-down like that is your right, but you are stupidly divorced from reality. I don’t tolerate ablelist bigotry. Goodbye.
The webpage can shoot fireworks and confetti to help deliver the news.
just play a snippet of that “what’s 9+10?” vine
“ya stupid”Please, can we move away from the “R” word.
I went on a semi-rant about IQ in another top level post, but now it’s time to go on a rant about the R word.
I’ve worked with adults with developmental and cognitive disabilities. I was a supported living coach for a while, and also volunteered some at an adult day training school where my wife taught.
The school in particular taught daily living skills, but also art. The students were encouraged to paint, sing, write. They had a theatre program - which is where I mostly volunteered, running sound for some shows and helping backstage at others.
Before I started working with them, I was a bit intimidated and scared by them. I personally have a high IQ[1], so the concept of people living with a low IQ kinda scared me a little. What do they live for? How do they live? How do they survive with, like, limited thoughts or whatever? I had no clue.
Then I got to meet the community at the day school and I quickly realized… they’re human, like you and me. Of course they are. But I didn’t know. I learned that they have needs and wants, like all humans; friendships and gossip and enjoying some days and not enjoying other days. You know, seriously, like the rest of us.
One of the classes my wife taught was theatre, and she taught her class Shakespeare (among other things). When I say that her students understood Shakespeare, I mean they could explain what happened in the plays they covered. What I began to realize was that the main problem these folks faced was that they learned more slowly. Not that they couldn’t learn.
Also, as an aside: While it was mostly amazing getting to hang out and work with these folks that tended to be much happier than other groups of people I’ve dealt with, that is also a negative stereotype, expressed specifically in the stereotype that many people with Down’s syndrome are always happy. Well, like many steretypes, there is some truth there, but everybody has shitty days, and not only that, but everyone has their own personality. Just because you see happy people with Down’s in media… it ain’t all like that. But overall, there is some truth there.
But the main point of my post, after hopefully helping to humanize them to you and anyone reading, is to end with this: They know the “R” word. They hear it. They hear it used against and about them. And even when it’s not, they know the word and that they are its origin. When that word is used, you’re not just calling something “stupid”, you are referencing a whole group of people that absolutely do not deserve it.
As a final note, to anyone who wants to argue about how language changes and how words get retired and if we retire this word another will come along: First of all, I don’t believe you in this case. In the past 10-15 years, the word has fallen off in use, and the words that replaced it weren’t offensive in the same way. But I’ve had to start speaking out about it again because it’s starting to come back in the past 2-3 years or so, and I’d rather see it permanently quashed. Also, even if another word did come along that was offensive, THAT DOESN’T EXCUSE USING THIS WORD RIGHT NOW WHICH IS OFFENSIVE RIGHT NOW.
I’m not telling anyone what to do. You and everyone have the right to use the language you wish to. I and others have the right to judge people for the language they use, though. So I hope you and others that use the word will consider removing it from your vocabulary.
I did. Took me a while, but it was worth it.
I’m no saint. I lose my temper and rant against those I feel are supporting fascism, for example, far more than I should. So I’m not trying to say I’m better than anyone. I’m just humbly requesting that people who use that word reconsider doing so, as it makes the world a slightly better place. <3
Which is worth extremely little, q.v. my other rant in this thread ↩︎
to anyone who wants to argue about how language changes and how words get retired and if we retire this word another will come along: First of all, I don’t believe you in this case. In the past 10-15 years, the word has fallen off in use, and the words that replaced it weren’t offensive in the same way.
I don’t understand why you think this argument, which I’ve heard described as the Euphemism Treadmill, doesn’t apply to this word. Retard is used to describe the slowing of something, like fire, without any insult to people. It’s just a word. As you point out, that word can be, and is, used as an insult which causes harm. However, any word can do that. Take “slow”, which I used above as an example. If it became the new slang insult for people of below average intelligence would you ask that people stop using it? It sounds silly to think of today, but that’s just because we aren’t used to hearing it that way. There’s nothing stopping a new word from taking the place of an old one, and retarded is not special. I guarantee you if people used it to laugh at others or said it sharply it would become just as hurtful.
We used to call people without jobs or shelter bums, then homeless, then housless, now temporarily unhoused. Once everyone is saying temporarily unhoused what will the next word be?
We’re absolutely in agreement that slower people are people too and deserve to be treated with respect. However, the fact that intelligence is a sought after trait that you are ridiculed for not having is the root of the problem, not the word used, and I don’t think this word has some special ability to get around the euphemism treadmill.
Retard is used to describe the slowing
That word, the verb, is pronounced “ree-TARD”. The “R” word is “REE-tard”.
In the same way that “negro” (NEH-gro) in some languages means black and is perfectly fine, and the same way that Niger (american “NIE-jur” or original “nee-ZHER” is also fine.
I already made my argument and explicitely said I would not debate, but I will simply reiterate: I don’t care about words that USED to be offensive or words that MIGHT ONE DAY be offensive, the “R” word is offensive NOW.
Ignoring that IQ is a grift and a lie: Sitting within a standard deviation of average intelligence is NOT a bad thing. If intelligence really could be measured it would mean you’re capable of doing anything about as well as anyone else.
The site didn’t make clear that’s not a good thing
Hahahahahaha ha, omg, the irony
“People who boast about their IQ are losers” Stephen Hawking
Here I just assumed all online IQ tests always vastly inflated the results to make their idiot users feel smart and hand over money for the certificate or whatever.
If you don’t pay, you don’t see the results.
The test is free, but not seeing the results.
It’s very infuriating, especially from this website, because it’s a 40 questions test which require some thought. You can easily waste 30-40 minutes before getting asked your email for getting the result “on a safe link”, for additional verification. Then you click the link via email (confirming that your email is valid and you can receive spam) and you get those fake loading bars that take like 2 minutes
✔️ Loading results
✔️ Reading all your responses
✔️ Elaborating your score
✔️ Comparing your score with other people
✔️ Generating your certificate
✔️ Fetching your certificateAnd only then, when your patience is almost gone, and your expectations are at the top, they ask for a symbolic payment to “maintain their service”. What to do? Rage quit after having wasted one hour on this scam or pay the $2?
IQ is, for the most part, a stupid measure. Or at least, it measures one specific thing, which is basically how quickly you can learn. That is to say, in theory, if you put someone with a 120 IQ and someone with an 80 IQ into a class, the first one should theoretically outperform the second if they put equal effort in.
I will say this frankly: I have a very high IQ - I was tested first when I was 6 and have been tested a couple of times since. I do have a learning disability - ADHD - and mine is severe, at that. So while I do generally pick up on things faster than some others on average, I certainly don’t pick up on everything quickly. There are subjects I absolutely do not get. And furthermore, thanks to circumstances and the stupid ADHD, here I am at 50, neve having had steady jobs (I did work 5 years one place), in shitty health (six heart attacks, below-knee amputation, congestive heart failure, on dialysis because my kidneys failed), with my wife and I surviving because while we both had ADHD and struggled, she’s been more consistent about keeping work, and definitely contributes more to the household budget.
So a high IQ basically means extremely little. You don’t have to have IQ to find success in life, or even to be highly degreed and an intellectual. It just means that you probably have to work a bit more at it. That one specific aspect of life. And there are many many aspects of life.
High IQ scores mean you’re good at IQ tests, and that’s it.
Eons ago, when I joined the army as a conscript, the officer said I scored higher than 90% of anyone taking the test.
The test results implied that I’m smart. My life experiences prove otherwise.
I always liked putting it in D&D terms: I’m not sure if I have high INT and low WIS, or if it’s the other way around.
which is basically how quickly you can learn
Not even that! IQ measures how well one performs in a barrage of simple abstract tasks. That alone can never be the stuff of intelligence, let alone learning speed. It doesn’t hold a candle past grade four and outside of diagnosing certain cognitive issues.
I generally agree with your sentiments, I have met people whose IQs I don’t know but would be considered conventionally highly intelligent just from the level of knowledge they broadcast and their quick wit. Many of them self-ascribed “failures”. Suffice it to say, it’s been a mission of mine to deconstruct what intelligence is. Collective smarts seem to matter much more than those of any individual.
Besides all the health issues you’re me. High IQ but the ADHD fucks it all up. I too kept one job 6 years. But that was mostly because it was easy and long as I got my work done my boss let sit and read books. If it hadn’t been for my relaxed boss I would have not stay so long. Hell probably still be there if it hadn’t gone out of business.
But goddamn I can pick up and learn quickly, but not able to stick to anything and can’t focus to accomplish the things I know I could or want to do.
Executive function is the bane of my existence. I’m doing the worst possible work right now - contract work that exists at any time I want to work on it. There’s no deadline, I just pick up a piece of the work and do it. Should take 30-60 minutes per piece. And the pay is decent.
But getting myself to log in and sit down and work on that is absolute torture.
But with my health and circumstances, it’s not a bad opportunity. heh.
I feel ya completely.
IQ is just one factor of intelligence, and not even the most important one. And even so, 94 is only just below average, it’s not so bad.
Just curious, what’s the most important one?
Sexiness
Rizz
Humans are social animals. If you can’t rizz your bosses to promote you and your coworkers to help you, then you’re stuck and alone.
NO RIZZ??
And connections.
I’d say EQ (emotional) is more useful on a daily basis
Maybe, but I don’t know if that’s a good thing. Social intelligence is how CEOs and other charlatans get disproportionate success in society, and if all we had was social intelligence humanity would be nothing but smooth-talking cavemen.
If we all had emotional intelligence, we’d be good at seeing through the shit of smooth-talking cavemen.
Good point.
We almost all have, but those without (at least those with ego problems) hone their skills their entire life to fool everyone else. IMO.
People often say that psychopaths act like they do because they don’t know how it makes people feel but the opposite is actually true - they know exactly how other people feel which is why they’re so good at manipulating them. They simply just don’t feel bad about taking advantage of that.
There is scientific evidence for the existence of emotional intelligence, but it not yet clearly defined nor easily measured. https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-weigh-in-on-the-evidence-for-emotional-intelligence-in-humans
It mainly exists as a tool for consultants to extract fees from corporate clients.
My only weakness! (Well also bright lights, rough textures, certain sounds…)
A thorough test made up of several tests can give a full scale IQ with component scores. Big gaps in the scores, like between verbal intelligence and working memory or processing speed, even helps us detect ADHD.
I feel like I need high processing speed more than anything else when playing competitive video games.
I think those thorough tests are (as you also suggested) mainly used as a diagnosis aid for conditions like ADHD which can manifest as discrepancies between the component scores. In neurotypical people the component scores are AFAIK generally strongly correlated (that is to say, basically the same).
I put more points into my Wisdom stat.
Krombiception, of course.
…you do have krombiception, don’t you?
Imo definitely common sense, which might not be a formal category of intelligence, but it follows from empathy, risk assessment, and understanding of consequences. Sociologists could probably do research to nail down an exact definition through and psychologists could probably measure it, though I suspect it would only really work intrademographically. What’s common sense for a rich, well spoken, fourteen year old white girl is different from common sense for a poor, uneducated sounding, twenty five year old black man, because they unfortunately face very different potential consequences for the same actions.
As a really rambling example (sorry!)
When I was the former in the US, I used to seek out and make conversation with cops if I was planning to buy or carrying (well sealed and odorless) weed at an event, because I figured they’d think I was less likely to do that if I was committing a crime, so they’d be less suspicious of me/give me more leniency if they caught me (because police corruption is a fractal: any amount of positive or negative interaction with them confers exactly that amount of forbearance or spite in future interactions). That’s terrible common sense for the latter demographic, but it worked very well for me and most of the white stoner girls I knew. Even the same demographic but older has different ideas of sensibleness. I would never seek out a cop like that today, because: A) I know that the real reason it used to work probably has more to do with us having been young teenage girls recognizing their authority than with us seeming more innocent (though the corruption bit was right), and wouldn’t apply to a woman as old as I am anymore*; and B) what works best for my current demographic is just blending in (or I guess getting way closer to a cop, but that’s both skin crawling and a much longer game than I am willing to play).
/* I’d argue it’s partial credit for common sense there and partially luck that my theory had positive consequences in common with reality, but this exemplifies the problem of letting each demographic decide for themselves what constitutes “common sense,” and use it as a metric for correct behavior /** (I’m sorry about the footnote within a footnote, my ADHD meds just kicked in on a day when I have nothing to do for the first time in over two months, after just finishing teaching a six week long German intensive course, teaching the same group for four hours every weekday, and the fediverse is the victim of my hyperfocus today).
Common sense might convince an adult not to trust the extremely rare sketchy-seeming but totally genuine opportunity, but it might also convince a teenager to trust the teacher or other adult entrusted with their safety who’s willing to buy them alcohol and nicotine products. However, if we allow people to weigh in for all of their younger demographic counterparts, we would risk making common sense impossible for all but the most mature people, thus making it no longer the metric we’re looking for.
/** it’s not really an issue for our definition or measurement of it though, it doesn’t really change things if common sense is sometimes wrong
Excuse me, it’s a quotient not a factor.
it’s neither bad nor good, it’s just a relative score. If everyone except you was einstein then your IQ would be 1, but that doesn’t magically make you dumber than you are now.
Basically everyone is constantly getting smarter (due to stuff like education and better access to food), so you can’t even compare IQ scores over time
IQ tests test for many aspects of human intelligence. Any that would apply to the education system. IQ is usually separated into these groups so your overall result would show 94 general, 120 social, 84 spatial reasoning, etc…
That said, yes. 94 isn’t an indication Special Education is warranted.
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Technically not even below! The average is 85-115 IQ.
A range can’t be an average
Isn’t the average 100 by design?
And also by definition of what an average is?
It’s not an exact science for starters so a +/- 5 points seems a likely margin, but I guess its just inside one “deviation”. 125 would be at +1 and so on (just making example numbers here).
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Can we please do this without the ableism? The US government is bad because the people are evil, not because they are stupid. Even if ostensibly they are both.
Good point. Thanks. I’m gonna self-delete this and take it as an invitiation to reflect on ableism.
You can say that, but it doesn’t make it true. I don’t think most of them are evil, and given their position they’re probably above average intelligence as well.
True evil is when causing harm (or suffering) is not merely a means to an end, but the end itself - the person derives pleasure or satisfaction from the act of harming others, independent of any larger goal. They don’t rationalize it as “necessary” or “for the greater good.” The suffering is the point.
Which is fucking pointless to point out because 80% falls into that 15 point deviation.
If you want true average, a 5-6 point deviation is more useful. Especially given the vast difference between someone with an IQ of 86 and the IQ of 114 - former will be failing most of their classes whereas latter will be excelling in most (not accounting for other personality traits that affect scholarly results, of course).
No, ~68,3% fall into that deviation.
Given that tests only approximate the real value and that there are errors and biases, being too exact wouldn’t serve you any function.
But I think you are right that a deviation of 30 from under to upper limit of average IQ is pretty big.
