EDIT: Correction, I was banned from Lemmy Zip, the confusion stems from my inability to see Lemmy Zip communities in the search anymore leading me to think it was Lemmy ML which has a community of the same name.
EDIT: Correction, I was banned from Lemmy Zip, the confusion stems from my inability to see Lemmy Zip communities in the search anymore leading me to think it was Lemmy ML which has a community of the same name.
The year isn’t even over yet, much less Trump’s term.
Yes, please remember that Maduro’s kidnapping, the kidnapping of a sovereign head of fucking state, happened earlier this year.
Whose protection are they trading for? They’ve been aligned with China since the 90s and Russia since Putin’s first election.
Abandoning their meagre current alliances for the prospect of throwing themselves at the mercy of an American political machine which has no concept of negotiation at present seems immensely unwise.
That’s not much comfort to the thousands of Cubans who will die in the process.
I don’t think “It’s okay, because it’ll either improve if Americans do the right thing (after doing the wrong thing 2/3 times in the past fucking decade), or else Americans will ALSO be screwed” is all that compelling an argument to Cuba. Or, for that matter, to Americans.
Handing Trump a ‘win’ on Cuba would be a great way to strengthen his hold on low-information centrists - of which there are too many in this fucking country - and strengthen the Cuban exile community in Florida whose death-grip on American politics have royally fucked us four times and counting in my fucking lifetime alone.
Hey @PugJesus. Can we also add a rule that also simping for Trump is not allowed? FiniteBanjo’s arguments sound awfully like Trump simping.
I’m not a mod here.
It’s not Trump simping, it’s just the toxic result of decades of anti-Cuban propaganda in the US. I say this as someone who dislikes the totalitarian red fash regime of Cuba to begin with.
Well the USA has issued a warrant for Raul Castro so unless they want that flavor of violence they should be trying to deescalate.
I strongly believe that a voluntary deescelation of Cuba, with some public flattery and a couple small gifts, would resolve the situation with zero casualties. I think Trump is just that much of a fucking moron.
Right and wrong are one thing, but at some point you have to minimize harm. There is no need for war and mass death in Cuba, so we should be doing everything in our power to avoid it.
How did de-escalation work for Iran and Venezuela, again? How did it work for Palestine? Lebanon?
Why will it work for Cuba when it’s failed in literally every other foreign policy crisis of this administration so far?
I think Trump is enough of a fucking moron to think that a mission accomplished banner in Havana would be a welcome addition to the war accolades he so desperately desires and delusionally imagines he has.
Sure. And point number one on minimizing harm would be preventing a US invasion. And you do that by making sure the US knows an invasion will be costly.
Tell me, if someone had offered this exact advice about demilitarizing to Ukraine regarding Russia in 2021, what would you think of that person?
Don’t let the fact that Cuba is a shitty regime blind you to the fact that appeasement to dictators is a fucking sucker’s game.
Iran absolutely has never attempted a deescalation in my lifetime. They’re the epitome of “fuck around, find out”. They sold death in every direction and now it’s come back to them 10 fold, and it’s not justice, it’s horrible.
Maduro might as well have put a big neon sign above his head, his most famous speech these days are his “Come Get Me” speech mocking the idea of the USA apprehending him. I think a few days before the capture he was singing a different tune, being somewhat ambiguous to US investment for oil, but if we’re drawing parallels to that event then it’s not even worth discussion because that means the conclusion for Cuba is already set in stone as well, just like Venezuela’s was months in advance, and I only hope that isn’t the case.
You brought up Russia’s actions, again, but I’ve already established that Russia wants to expand and the USA does not.
That’s not a serious examination of international politics. Fuck, man, there was opportunity for outright realignment even after the fucking Iraq War. Even in the 2010s Rouhani openly espoused a reconciliatory line.
Fuck, man, have you forgotten the treaty that Trump ripped up?
… in which case demilitarizing would be immensely fucking stupid.
Putin wants wars to shore up his domestic legitimacy and power.
Trump wants wars to shore up his domestic legitimacy and power.
Institutions do not act in their own interests. Institutions act in the interests of the decision-makers, and between the minority status of the Dems and the fucking spinelessness of the GOP, the main decision-maker in the US with regards to foreign policy at the moment is Donald Trump.
The only difference between Trump and Putin is that Trump is significantly stupider. Not less malicious, not less opportunistic, not less willing to break formal-or-informal agreements with countries for the sake of militaristic fascist chest-beating.