• Commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    11 days ago

    Most leftists are literally pro-capitalism though, not in the idealized sense of “we want free markets NOW!!” but viewing ideal society as capitalism but with welfare (self-described socialist/DSA/socdem types). No matter how you rename such society, it doesn’t change what it’s mode of production in reality is.

    Lots of leftists can’t even define what capitalism is either, which also puts their opposition to capital into question…

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        11 days ago

        Imma be real, if you truly think that US are some backwards savages and the rest of the world is any better then maybe you’re due for a break from the US-centric news cycles who only report on what’s going on in the US. It really warps one’s perspective on the current state of the world, xenophobia and bigotry runs everywhere and it’s getting worse as profit rates and standard of living drops.

        Besides, leftism as a term at first referred to anti-monarchist liberals. It’s an insanely large and diverse camp in terms of views, vast majority of whom are pro-capitalist but don’t market themselves as such since their focus is reformism and making lives better within capitalism like trans rights or “fair wage”. Actual anti-capitalists (i.e. communists aligned with left opposition who are vehemently against commodity form) are insanely rare and often don’t even identify themselves as leftists since they have very little in common with left wing of capital.

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          11 days ago

          One quick peek at my profile and you’d learn super quick I’m extremely varied, global, and intersecting as most anarchists go.

          leftism as a term at first referred to anti-monarchist liberals

          By whom exactly🙃

          Actual anti-capitalists (i.e. communists aligned with left opposition who are vehemently against commodity form) are insanely rare and often don’t even identify themselves as leftists since they have very little in common with left wing of capital.

          I feel like you believe this is /c/liberalism@lemmy.world and not /c/Socialism@lemmy.dbzer0.com.
          Could you reframe you scopes a little broader, as actual anarchists engaging in honest conversation? ’Cause anarchism is completely against all forms of capital: the privatization of goods, services, tools, land, etc… You don’t have to be furtherest liberating (Monarch’s “left of privatization”), and fall back into communitizing all means of production (communism).

          I am not your typical black anarchist.