I see. Does the crypto aspect of Odysee and its new NFT-liking owner concern you at all? If not, have you seen this video?

Like Lemmy a few years ago, there is not yet a large community on Movim. I’m hoping that an exodus of Discord users who give Movim a try will bring with it more activity, just as the reddit API exodus did with Lemmy a couple years back. The first adopters may need to rely on just using it to communicate with friends for a bit as they either wait for others to build communities, or build some themselves, which is what made Lemmy as healthy and vibrant as it is today :)

Most of you probably know this, but just a heads up, any comment I left in that thread that directly linked to piefed was not visible in a logged-out private tab, pretty sure Reddit is auto-removing anything with direct links to either lemmy or piefed.

It was removed :(

odysee as much as possible

Just a heads up, Odysee became bankrupt after its parent company LBRY (owned by a hyper racist and fascist ancap who was trying to politically takeover New Hampshire with a right-wing libertarian community to, among other things, revoke child-labor protection laws before being kicked off the board for his racism) did a pump’n’dump of their LBRY coin without reporting it on their taxes, which the government sued them for since it was illegal.

Odysee was then bought out by Arweave; a blockchain crypto scam company created and owned by Forward Research, which itself is owned by Sam Williams; another venture capital crypto techbro libertarian/ancap who also bought a big NFT company during the Odysee aquisition. So unfortunately, Odysee is no better than Google.

Peertube is great though.

Of all the discord clones, this one does look promising I must admit, especially since the dev has mentioned they’d be open to incorporating federation and some encryption abilities down the road. The GPL license is a good mark, and the dev seems pretty chill. Downside is that’s it’s still very rough and in more of a visually polished alpha state. The dev mentioned they’re about to release a major refactor of the codebase, which they hope will fix the sluggishness the server is experiencing after an influx of new users from the Discord dumpster fire.

Personally, I’d still suggest Movim over Fluxer at the moment.

Movim already has a proven scalable back-end, it’s already federated, already provides good encryption, has 90% feature parity with Discord such as Chats, group video calls, screen-sharing with audio (requires chromium browser to share audio for now), its made in the EU, and it’s ready right now, not some time in the future (if Discord users fleeing discord try Fluxer, they’d be likely to bail on it due to the current bugs and just go back to discord). The Movim developer is also currently working on adding in discord-like channels and rooms.

(Movim also doesn’t require an email to create an account, and runs right in your browser, so I’d highly recommend quickly giving it a shot with a friend to see if it can meet your needs! :D)

But that’s just my 2 cents. Fluxer is one to keep an eye on for the future, though.

It’s a promising project for sure, though it will have to prove that it can scale up without bogging down.

As an alternative, there’s also Movim, which uses a more mature back-end. If you’d like, you could try that out with a friend to see if it can handle your needs. It offers both group video calls and screen-sharing (must use a chromium based browser to screen-share with audio for now), and it’s already federated and offers optional encryption based on Signal’s style of encryption.

Fluxer is still very much in alpha/beta, and documentation for self-hosting is yet to be written.

If you’d like to host something more mature that offers 90% of the functionality of Discord, I’d recommend hosting an XMPP server, which would enable you to also host a Movim instance on top of it. You can ask for help as a beginner in !selfhosted@lemmy.world to get started :)

You could also use Movim without hosting it yourself, since it’s already federated like Lemmy/Piefed are.

The second link in the body of OP is the dev explaining that he’d been working on it in his spare time for 5 years before releasing it as a public beta on Github.

He does mention using AI in a limited capacity.

Fluxer was largely built before LLMs became a normal part of day-to-day development. I do use them now, but in a limited way: as a rubber duck and for mechanical implementation work when I already have a detailed spec. I treat the code it outputs like I would any external contribution.

No LLM designed the system, wrote the specs, or made architectural decisions. That was all me. I only use LLMs when I already know the platform well enough to review the result properly.

Ultimately, you’ll have to take my word for it that I’m trying to handle this responsibly. Fluxer is a large, complicated codebase because the project itself is large and complicated. LLMs still aren’t capable of autonomously producing anything like what Fluxer is today.

If it were that easy to create something this polished on a whim using only LLMs, we’d already be swimming in credible Discord alternatives.

In short, for Fluxer: PRs should be reviewable, understandable, and test-backed. Submitting generated code you cannot explain, or using an LLM to bypass review standards, isn’t acceptable. At the same time, responsible use of LLMs as a tool is fine, and contributors should not be harassed for using them.

Moreover, the OSS release began from a clean slate, so the public commit count doesn’t reflect the full private iteration timeline, how long it has been deployed in production, or how extensively it has been tested. Going forward, what matters is that contributions will be reviewed, and tests will be required where appropriate. I also don’t condone low-effort, unreviewed AI slop.

I published the project with a squashed history because the early work happened privately, and I didn’t want to make 3,000+ messy commits part of the public record. I’m proud of where things are now, and the codebase has improved a lot over the 3+ years it was developed in private. Squashing commits during a closed source to open source transition is common practice, and it doesn’t imply the project was vibe-coded.

This is my work, and it’s hard-earned. If something seems too good to be true, it’s because I’ve put real effort into making it good.

I get that in the age of LLMs, people are more suspicious and may assume bad intent behind every project. But some projects come from true passion and domain understanding. That’s the case for Fluxer.

I could’ve built and maintained this platform without using LLMs for the mechanical parts of the work. It just would’ve taken about three times as long. At that pace, I’d need a full-time job to make a living, and then I wouldn’t have time for Fluxer anyway. This is the world we live in, and sometimes compromises are unavoidable.

Starting with no money, the realistic options were to raise VC funding (since most people won’t back a project like this until it’s already close to what they expect), or to use LLMs in a limited, controlled way to speed up the mechanical tasks. I chose the latter so the project could stay independent.

If you feel conflicted about this, know that I do too. I’m happier writing code by hand. Going forward, LLMs don’t need to be quite as involved. Now that I’ve released publicly, I don’t necessarily need to work on this alone, and I’ve prepared the codebase to make it attractive to people who want to self-host the software.

As I said, the discord-style server/rooms are currently being worked on. After which, it should functionally be pretty much 1:1 with Discord. The only thing it’d be missing is the Forums feature, but instead it does have a pretty cool blog feature :)

Movim does, and recently landed screen-sharing application audio too (must use a chromium based browser for now to stream the audio too).

Of all the discord clones, this one does look promising I must admit, especially since the dev has mentioned they’d be open to incorporating federation and some encryption abilities down the road. The GPL license is a good mark, and the dev seems pretty chill. Downside is that’s it’s still very rough and in more of a visually polished alpha state. The dev mentioned they’re about to release a major refactor of the codebase, which they hope will fix the sluggishness the server is experiencing after an influx of new users from the Discord dumpster fire.

Personally, I’d still suggest Movim over Fluxer at the moment.

Movim already has a proven, scalable back-end (XMPP), it’s already federated, already provides good encryption, has 90% feature parity with Discord such as Chats, group video calls, screen-sharing with audio (requires chromium browser to share audio for now), its made in the EU, and it’s ready right now, not some time in the future (if Discord users fleeing discord try Fluxer, they’d be likely to bail on it due to the current bugs and just go back to discord). The Movim developer is also currently working on adding in discord-like channels and rooms.

But that’s just my 2 cents. Fluxer is one to keep an eye on for the future, though.