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There definitely needs to be a social pressure to drop discord, I propose that there needs to be some level of social stigma around using or liking discord. Like for example if someone says they prefer discord or like its look and features and promote people to verify or even buy Discord Nitro, call them a discord bro or similar negative quip (we can find the names and phrases in due time). If that sounds too harsh consider that if someone said they like to use chatGPT and prefer to use it, a lot of people would call them AI bros for that. It isn’t much different. Social stigma is a powerful motive. Especially for creators and for platforms where PR is of utmost importance.

Like if Discord usage is stigmatized we can go from discord API logins on community sites and projects to them never even acknowledging discord exists. That’s what will drive change, not inconvenience, not privacy violations by discord, or even good intentions on their part. Shame that loses people’s respect for them.

That’s alright, just wanted to make sure you got it since sub replies don’t notify.

I made another reply addressing my other point too, if you want to respond to that. I made it as a separate comment since it’s not the same but did feel it needed addressing since it’s likely the person was talking about those too: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/23673594

To further clarify my points earlier about bad faith usage of accusations of antisemitism. I believe that calling people who are not antisemitic i.e. Greta Thunberg, does harm indirectly towards Jewish population because it bleaches the meaning of the word by applying it to cases where a person is not being antisemitic. It also reduces it to a political insult or attack on someone’s person when used in that context.

This is very bad because antisemitism is a real problem these days that many people actually face. And sometimes they face violence because of it. But misuse of the term without merit as an insult or to shut people down can cause people to not recognize it as easily, or lose respect for it. If the meaning of a word erodes or becomes charged people may not take it seriously, and that’s a problem. It’s especially a problem considering how serious antisemitism is.

I’m not even the only one who thinks this either, I brought sources (I know no one will read these but they’re here if you’re actually smart):

I drafted the definition of antisemitism. Rightwing Jews are weaponizing it

[Video] He Wrote a Definition of Antisemitism; Now He Says It’s Being Weaponized

From Ambiguity to Accountability: The Case for a Legal Definition of Antisemitism in Academiaof Antisemitism in Academia

How a Leading Definition of Antisemitism Has Been Weaponized Against Israel’s Critics

These cover how current definitions of antisemitism are weaponized as a political tool, they don’t cover so much bleaching of words. That study hasn’t been done on antisemitism but it has been done on other words. And antisemitism is a word, so these apply to it:

Diachronic Word Embeddings Reveal Statistical Laws of Semantic Change

Words are Malleable: Computing Semantic Shifts in Political and Media Discourse

Slangvolution: A Causal Analysis of Semantic Change and Frequency Dynamics in Slang

The Politics of Language: Politicized Semantic Change, Pejoration and the Case of “Woke”

Words change, and how we use them shapes how. Using words that have important deep meaning and power to hurt others without merit will change those words, it changes how they are seen, and it changes how people will react to them. And no word is immune to this. Actually words that carry extreme charge are even more victim to this.

Yeah and I’m not doing that. Anti-Zionism is not about doing that it’s about fighting the injustice that the country of Israel, as in its leaders and military are perpetrating. The people who claim that being against Zionism are being antisemitic for it are ignoring the fact that these people are against it too:

I know and agree that people shouldn’t hold Israel’s citizens or worse Jews in general responsible. The thing that makes what they said a Zionist strawman is that the majority of anti-Zionists do not think this and they know that Israelis both:
A. Cannot do anything about what their military or government is doing, and
B. Probably don’t even know due to lack of information or governmental brainwashing (Yes Israel brainwashes its citizens with propaganda^[1][2][3], that isn’t surprising or new information).

This is well known by many activists out there, and one of our goals is to help a bit with the second one by putting information out there so people can learn and help in whatever way they can or are able to. Israeli citizens are by and large innocent, and actually are also in many case victims^[4] as well.

I never said it was, I said accusations of it are used as a political tool to silence people. Or do you think being opposed to Israel or their actions is hate speech? If you do that’s what I’m talking about when I say Zionist apologia.

I don’t know who those people are and I don’t care. Either way those do seem like Vote manipulation accounts and should be reported if they are not banned already. I maintain that I do not commit vote manipulation. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

It’s alright, mistakes happen sometimes.

This sounds like Zionist apologia to the max, and a Zionist strawman too. In fact the majority of anti-Zionists are against conflating the jewish people with Israel and their government. In fact a lot are fucking Jewish themselves. Antisemitism is a real problem and needs to be stood up against, but accusations of antisemitism are being made falsely these days and are being weaponized against criticism of Israel, and against the people criticizing Israel.

And right now, you are doing more of the latter than the former by blanket stating that we shouldn’t use “anti-Zionist” or even advocate against Zionism. You know, instead of to call out the anti-Semitic dipshits themselves claiming to be anti-Zionist. You are using a rhetorical tactic to try and claim it is antisemtic to be anti-Zionist and that is Zionist apologia.

And actually I would go as far as to say this rhetoric is directly harmful towards Jewish people, because using terms like “antisemitism” and antisemite" incorrectly, as ways to shut people down or suppress political views, or even unjustly attack people’s character makes these terms less meaningful, and ultimately undermines their effectiveness when they are more than justified. If “Antisemite” becomes the thing we call Greta Thunberg and people like her, who are not attacking Jewish people, who are standing up against the atrocities a government has committed (as well as the vile politics of a different government suppressing criticism of it) that ultimately bleaches the word of its meaning, a meaning which is very important and still valid today.

I don’t use my accounts to boost or suppress content and admins on the fediverse can attest to that. People having accounts does not mean voting with these accounts, consider that before making bad faith accusations.

It is not okay to use your alts to downvote posts twice, it’s actually pretty sleazy and unaccepted across many fediverse instances. If you did it by mistake that’s different, but if you did it intentionally that’s pretty shameful.

CC: @tanteregenbogen@pie.dasneuland.de

Probably is.

It isn’t a Zionist safe space though. That would imply that we wouldn’t allow non-Zionists and anti-Zionists on the site, which is false.

Proportion of banned Anti-Zionists and antifasicists is higher than the amount of banned Zionists, that makes it a Zionist safe space, no amount of deflection will change this.

And it is not my fault people get banned for inciting hatred, it’s theirs.

Continuing to dismiss suppressed anti-Zionists and antifascists as hateful. I’m not buying it. I don’t know why you keep bothering. You might as well try and convince me the sky is a deep emerald green.

“being not respectable” Why do I need the respect of people who sow hatred and revanchism?

yawn

Oh no you caught me what am I to do, I guess I’m just an everyday antisemite like Greta Thunburg now.

Oh wait, I wasn’t telling people to come here I’m clarifying that I’m here arguing with you. dbzer0 users can’t even see most of this thread because both you and goat are banned from there.

This sounds like quite a reach, I looked in that article and found nothing on quote marks. I also googled it and found only mentions of parentheses. I also found this thread. So from what I see, it’s not grammatically correct, no. It’s a bit demeaning, but it is a huge reach to compare it to triple parentheses.

I speak about all of feddit’s moderation history because every one of Feddit’s mods hide behind policy or german law, and they probably are just as neoliberal as you are. You also handled it particularly poorly by not only apologizing for the censorship but dismissing anyone who you did ban or silence as just “bigots”.

you won’t be popular.

Being popular in Zionist safe spaces is a bad thing, just like being popular with alt-right fascists is a bad thing. Maybe one day you will realize that being not respectable means you don’t have a say in the social order, nor the ability to create social stigma in people. Because they do not respect you or the platform you stand for, and honestly they shouldn’t.

Anyway I’m done here. There’s nothing new being said at this point.

They benefit because people can’t compare or call them the nazis they are. I already linked an article which shows this. Unfortunately I don’t think any understanding of this will be reached in this discussion.

Again I am not a neolib. I am a Eurocom.

Thanks, doesn’t change the fact that you act just like one (a neoliberal), you could tell me you’re a leftist anarchist and it wouldn’t change the fact you vomited lib talking points to justify Feddit’s atrocious behavior.

And I don’t expect you to be scared or intimidated of me.

Good, because lots of admins do and it is patheic.

tried to coax others to brigade this thread.

Nope I never mentioned this thread anywhere else. I offered a link to your profile on Lemmy.ml to show your last comments there before they banned you, to show the correlation, I never pointed anyone here or told them to go here. You really are pathetic.

I’ve heard the AFD referred to as modern day nazis. Maybe I should’ve embedded that for clarification. I was not saying Germans in general are Nazis.

I am mad because this type of legislation is inherently authoritarian and borderline fascist, it actually does benefit the modern Nazi party of Germany to stifle criticism and prevent historical comparisons. I’m not a neoliberal german nationalist like yourself so I’m not ever going to see that as okay, and the fact that you try to make anyone who disagrees with you out to be “just a bigot” continues to show what a sad pathetic neoliberal you are. I’m not scared or intimated by you. Maybe you’re used to people groveling before you because of your admin status and you think continuing to argue with me will intimidate me into apologizing or yeilding, but you have no points, no intelligent discussion of any kind. All you’ve offered is the same neoliberal Zionist apologia, and dismissal of anyone against you or feddit as ““bigots””.

I don’t know who you think you’re trying to fool but Feddit’s mod actions and history speak for itself and no amount of your Strawmanning changes this. People see through your lies. Only the Zionists of Feddit or the most sycophantic neoliberals are listening to you.