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  • Deleting Facebook does not delete MAGA content. What is gone are the views and framing of events from the left.

    Facebook’s user base are primarily older, Apolitical low-information voters, community groups, parents, workers, retirees, church groups… These are not MAGA voters, they are regular people who mostly passively scroll, absorbing whatever dominates their feed that day.

    When left leaning users deleted their social media accounts, it didn’t delete MAGA content. This rebalanced the algorithm. Comments and posts became more dominated by right leaning voices because fewer people were there to counter them and because there was more of it.

    Silence functions as consensus.

    When passive scrollers see MAGA or right leaning content, they don’t think ‘this is extreme’ instead they think ‘this must be normal or widely accepted’. Without content that can counter it, right leaning messages begin to shift public opinion. You can see this reflected in polls, polls answered by regular folk not just MAGA. Within public opinion you’ll hear how protestors are violent or burning down cities, vaccinations are dangerous, ANTIFA is a terrorist organization, media is always fake and lying, etc… these views we all thought would be insane 15 years ago have become status quo.

    Here is something that is very critical to how this reshaping of status quo occurred. This is important to my point. Research shows a small, committed minority can flip majority opinion once it crosses a critical threshold, around ten percent. That minority does not need to convince everyone. It only needs to dominate what people see often enough to make its position feel normal.

    Social consensus through the influence of committed minorities

    Here is the abstract

    We show how the prevailing majority opinion in a population can be rapidly reversed by a small fraction 𝑝 of randomly distributed committed agents who consistently proselytize the opposing opinion and are immune to influence. Specifically, we show that when the committed fraction grows beyond a critical value 𝑝𝑐≈10%, there is a dramatic decrease in the time 𝑇𝑐 taken for the entire population to adopt the committed opinion.

    Does it mean every time when you have a small dominate minority that opinions will flip? No. But it does give evidence to the idea that there is some small value like 10% of a group needed to change their views for the rest of the group to flip 100%.

    MAGA understand this, the left seem to be out of the loop on this however. This is why we see right leaning content that is more engaging and users who flood the zone.

    In 2024 there was 1.9 billion spent in online political ads.

    Facebook Says 10 Million People in the U.S. Saw Russia-Linked Ads

    Far-right news sources on Facebook more engaging

    How right-wing influencers are bending reality in Minneapolis

    MAGA are using platforms like Facebook to become committed agents who consistently proselytize the opposing opinion and are immune to influence. And they can only become those agents when the left is not there to challenge them. When we all left Facebook and x and whatever else, we played right into their hand.

    You can put hundreds of millions of people in the streets, but if digital spaces are dominated by MAGA frames then public opinion will turn against any protests or efforts.

    Online perception shapes IRL legitimacy.

    Leaving Facebook feels morally correct. But it’s a retreat.

    Public support matters. Views matter. Presence matters. Framing matters. Abandoning the largest passive audience on the internet only serves to accelerates the normalization of MAGA.

    Can you answer the question I asked?




  • The fact that you think having a Facebook account connect to that is immeasurably ignorant.

    Not sure what this means

    But I’ll digress. You go ahead and justify your contribution to MAGA any way you choose.

    You contribute more to MAGA by giving them free access to people’s content rather than fighting against their misinformation. The minute you deleted your account was the minute you start contributing to MAGA success



  • You’re wrong on a few things here.

    There are more than enough reasons to be on Facebook right now depending on what you’re trying to accomplish. Personal feelings about the platform are valid reasons to stay off, but they are not good enough if you also expect people to show up to protests. It is callous to dismiss Facebook as a place to organize and use a unified voice while expecting others to take on risks without making efforts at a lower level that can accomplish the same goals.

    Whether people like it or not, memes are far more powerful than protests in the current media environment. We have seen massive protests with hundreds of millions of people in the streets and nothing meaningful came from them. Attitudes did not change. Policy did not change. The same politicians are still in power.

    To prove my point look at Howard Dean. His entire national political career was ended by a single meme. One moment, repeated endlessly, reached more people and shaped public opinion more than huge demonstrations that required arrests and injuries ever did.

    That is how influence works today. If there are no measurable goals or direction, then protests are just something people do to feel like they participated. Some of us think effort should happen earlier and at lower risk stages before asking people to put their lives on the line. Expecting people to risk losing an eye, being arrested, or worse just to feel symbolically united and then go home is not strategy.

    If you want real outcomes, you start where people already are and use the tools that actually move opinion and behavior right now.




  • I’m not sure what the purpose of protesting for us means.

    Protests carry a significant risk. There are severe financial, medical, legal and career risks. With how things are there is even risk to lives.

    What I struggle with understanding is given this risks what is the reward for protesting. If we’re asking others to bare these things, should there not be a due diligence on our part to make sure we did everything we could to ensure these protests are successful.

    All protests are not equal. Civil rights protests or Montgomery bus boycotts came with clear measurable goals that protestors knew the risks and rewards. Other protests where shit shows like occupy Wallstreet or many of the Iraq war protests where laws were already locked in and there was no actionable goal.

    So what i struggle with here is what do you mean protests are for us because it sounds like you think protests should be more like occupy or the Iraq protests rather than any of the civil rights or bus boycotts.

    Facebook is going to make money no matter what. That’s because there are so many people using it. Which is why it’s why everybody but the left use it to raise awareness. I get the moral argument but you still have to be aware of the consequences. Not using Facebook means they spread their message to the average person. If you want any support or success you have to engage and convince that vox populi to support your efforts or your dead in the water before you even started.


  • You’re arguing decorum after opening by dismissing the post solely because it came from Facebook. You didn’t bother to watch it. That’s not principled discourse that’s selective tone policing

    Engage with the content. If you don’t want to engage, then move on. Don’t come here to smugly dismiss it. But writing it off based on platform and then lecturing others about how questions should be phrased. That’s hypocritical.

    You don’t get to police comments after you’ve already derailed the conversation.





  • The problem is you here. This is why the left has lost so much ground over the past ten years. You’ve given up every territory, pulled back to the least defensible position and think you’re going to launch some great effort with a playbook that is about as old as an American senator. You’re just not thinking. I dont’ think you understand this isn’t 1967. It’s time to wake the fuck up. Protesting is effective but their ability to diminish those efforts are greater and until you nullify that then you’re just jeopardizing every effort people make going out there to protest.


  • That is exactly the point I am arguing. Going out to protest will not be as effective if you aren’t able to counter the efforts they will use on digital spaces to smear and spread bullshit like what is shown in this post. It’s jumping critical steps in making a proper defense before going on the offense.

    We all need better networks and ways to disseminate information rapidly. For people who are not in the area, we can make sure these accounts that are out right lying are reported. We can make content and bring awareness right on the posts they have paid for and boosted with their own bot network. We leverage what they are using against us.



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    But not having a facebook account grows their base so much larger leading to another victory come election time. I don’t understand how any person thinks that protesting is effective but not letting their views spread online is not.

    You get more bang for your buck every single time with online effort. There’s no way to argue you don’t. Facebook is where all the people are who are going to matter in the fight against MAGA. Because so many leftist feel to good for it they left and now the right has this red carpet access to the eyes and ears of every single person who is needed to turn the tides on MAGA.

    Like you all repeat this trendy 3% rule about protests. But why has nobody figured out that 3% rule is actually about digital spaces. That’s why it is important. Being able to overwhelm their content with ours is what will turn tides. If my enemy is investing all their effort and resources into something then I better pay attention. That is online content especially facebook.