For the authoritarian leaders, it’s just a tool. Because it’s easier to convince people, that enemy is withing, and you can recognize it just by the skin color, or the ways of living.
That’s why racism, nationalism, etc are used so often.
Also add this for Russia, China, North Korea, and historically most of european countries.
What’s the common part? That this is not war between nations, or races, it’s a class war. Creating ruling class always ends like this. Too much power in a hands of a too few people, authoritarian regime, and this is a recipe for a crisis.
It’s a weird times. Almost everyone in the west on the left, are against what’s going on in the USA, people are sharing videos, news, and so on about police brutality, camps and so on. The same time “left” from China, capitalist state, are pretending that there is no problem with brutality, working camps and so on in China or Russia. Please, cope harder, it’s so funny.
Do you remember Tiananmen square massacre? https://www.amnesty.org.uk/china-1989-tiananmen-square-protests-demonstration-massacre
And how about state capitalism ruining workers life, so the one of the biggest capitalist company Apple, can increase revenue? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract
Now please, cope harder. Want some copium?
Sadly, no one gona save Americans, the same way no one saved Chinese people fighting against authoritarian regime during Tiananmen protest, or many protests in Russia against putins imperialism and autoritarism.
Only good thing, is that in the USA there’s still some kind of free press, and people can document what’s going on, and share. Hopefully, USA is not going to end up like Russia.
You know, that this works?
Police brutality, and attacking peaceful protest, is sending way stronger signal to the rest of the world, than attacking police, then police fight back, and media can call the people terrorists.
Few years ago, there was very popular group Voina, known for fighting against russian right wing authoritarian regime and it’s imperialism. https://publicdelivery.org/voina-st-petersburg-bridge/
The hardest battle are fought to get people hearts and minds, not fight with the bombs and guns.
You’re saying, that giving very hard and addictive drugs to person in a crisis, isn’t creating very high rise in addicted people?
They find the crisis, and push narrative, that it’s fault of LGBT people, or the immigrants, or people with different skin color, or different religion. Everyone who is not following what exactly state wants (skin color, religion, nation).
They really don’t care if they are left, right, or center, as long as they are pissed off and not terribly bright.
Not true. It’s better to push right wing agenda, since russia has nothing to do with socialism, but it’s a full on right wing authoritarian regime. Then, before Russia attacked Ukraine, a lot of right wing populists were saying that Russia is a right wing alternative for rotten west.
Of course, there are many tankies and other shit, just to destroy the left. A lot of forums in the west, like on reddit (or on lemmy, like “memes”) will ban you for mentioning russian imperialism, or Katyn genocide.
So we’re discussing imperialism, and how does it look around the world? Nice.
You can also add Russia, and them there are a lot of good examples of what some European countries did in Africa and so on.
this conversation is going nowhere
Agree, since you’re not responding to any argument, and you’re only sending straw man arguments and and personam, it’s hard.
You are arguing in bad faith, constantly negging
You’re insulting me all the time, ignoring my arguments, evidences, logic, facts. Dude XD
acting like European chauvinist
Dude, this is too much. You’re supporting racist and homophobic regimes, like the one in russia, this is the proof, that I’m not the one who is chauvinist. Like i wrote many times, I’m against imperialism, and exploitation of less fortunate countries. I explain to you how Poland was exploited by the soviets in the past, i explain to you how Africa is exploited by west and east, and why I’m against it. And you’re supporting east imperialist just because you don’t like west. We’re not the same.
You misrepresent my arguments at every turn,
Wrong, you had no arguments. Only straw man arguments and ad personam.
You insist that Russian funding of far-right groups “proves” something,
I gave you the evidences, the facts. And my initial statement was that russia is one of the forces responsible for rise of far right shit in europe. And you’re not trying to discuss this thesis, but trying to switch our discussion to why people are poor, and poor people are more probable to radicalize. You don’t want to discuss the thesis, but want to switch to obvious thing. What would you do then, would you try to convince me, that russia is not the real imperialistic enemy of the world?
Fascism did not emerge
Oh, here we go XD I knew it, that you will push narrative, that we don’t have to care about russia funding far right movements, it’s fault of poor people XD
Providing links and photos does not replace analysis.
Yup, facts are not facts, we don’t have to care. Comon need to lick putin’s boots. Let’s do it, russia is good, west is bad, what’s wrong? XD
Stop lying dude/
Quoting Britannica
Yup, again, facts are not facts, and russian imperialism doesn’t matter, because ad personam ad personam, insult, insult.
Russia may act regionally, but it does not control global finance,
Russia is a part of the same groups, that you mentioned before as a groups that are in the control. And russian oligarchs have influences all over the world.
Ok, we can go back to Africa, that is exploited by many countries, including ruSSia. Who is sending state funded paramilitary forces called Wagner Group?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group_activities_in_Africa
Why they are killing and performing military shit there? We all knows. This is part of the militarism, that should not be there if your argument is right.
ignoring the fact that integration into EU labor chains relies on exploitation elsewhere Africa, Latin America, and the periphery pay the cost
So, you’re talking about exploitation that China is a big part of the process, and russia is just too poor to be a part of, because for russian oligarchs exploitation of regular people is the most of what they know how to do. Remember, that huge part of russian economy is selling oil. Why regular people are not gaining nothing from the oil, and most of the money is going to private hands? Here’s your exploitation and imperialism from ruSSia.
You personalize structural phenomena, calling out oligarchs and naming small groups while refusing to address the system that produces them.
More lies, keep lying, and creating straw man arguments.
And then go back to licking putin’s boot.
You sound like a russian AI bot, sorry, i will not send you any answer.
You do not actually understand imperialism, so every time the argument moves into political economy you retreat into vibes, NGO articles, and moral equivalence.
Ad personam, zero arguments.
You keep flooding links about Russia funding far-right groups as if anyone denied that.
And yet, you’re trying to prove, that russian far right wing regime, and its imperialism it’s not a supporter of far right in the west.
Funding does not create fascism.
So, funding very radical organizations does not creates them? Look what mostly west imperialism did in the middle east just by funding religious radicals. Funding far right organizations in the hard times, it’s like adding fuel to the fire.
If Russian money alone created fascism,
This is the point that no one is stated. This is your straw man argument, that you’re trying to push for a long time, and then answering “russia is not the responsible”. Keep your straw man for yourself.
“Here are some links” is not analysis.
Giving your the links from so many sources, from Al Jazeera to The Guardian and so on. In some links there were official photos from official meeting of far right parties from europe, and everything was happening in russia for russian money and they were proud ot if. And yet for you its not analyze.
Imperialism is not “any country with power.”
No one is stating that. Stop with your lies. Russia is an imperialistic country, best example is attack on Ukraine, or whet they did in Georgia, and all the bad things that they are funding in europe, and so on and so on.
Ok, let’s go back to school, you will learn something. What is imperialism:
imperialism, state policy, practice, or advocacy of extending power and dominion, especially by direct territorial acquisition or by gaining political and economic control of other areas. Because it always involves the use of power, whether military or economic or some subtler form, imperialism has often been considered morally reprehensible, and the term is frequently employed in international propaganda to denounce and discredit an opponent’s foreign policy.
Britanica.
And what are the key parts of imperialism: Economic control? Yes, russia wants it for example in Ukraine or Belarus. Militarism - of course. Territorial expansion - of course, like attack on Ukraine, Cultural Influence - yes, funding far right wing shit in europe, or push of russian language in Belarus. What have i missed?
Of course Russia is not only imperialistic country. USA is way richer country, so they can send more troops around the world.
You accuse me of “skipping” China and the USSR in Africa.
Pretending that China or Russia is not as exploitive as west in the Africa, is a big lie. Please, stop charitiwashing of east imperialism exploiting Africa. Please, stop it.
You keep repeating that Eastern Europe is richer now. Yes. Because you became part of the imperial core’s labor chain.
No, it’s because in europe and west we’re at least pretending to respect human rights, labor laws, and thanks to situation after the war, middle class was created in the west, thus there’s still some money left in the middle class (but thanks to the neoliberalism, oligarch slowly sucking it from us). In the post soviet countries, after the collapse of the soviets, oligarchs was able to take almost everything to themself, so there’s not a lot left, and there’s no middle class, there’s very little consumption, people are poor, non educated, therefore economy is not very efficient.
Poland is a part of richer part of the world, so it’s quite obvious that we’re going to be richer. And remember, that Russia sold way more stuff, and start doing it way earlier than Poland. And yet, in Russia all the money goes to oligarchs. So regular people was not benefiting from this.
And now look on the China, and compare it to russia. China was in a pretty bad situation 30 years ago. But they invest tons and tons of money in the knowledge building, in the science, heavy industry, and so on, and now they are one of the biggest economy in the world. And in the same time, russia that was pretty rich 30 years ago, once again is very poor and shitty thanks to the oligarchs. There are a lot of bad things that we can say about state capitalism that is in the China, but still they are able to use neoliberalism in the west, and suck a lot of money from west, and bring it to China. Neoliberalism is way worst than state capitalism.
Cheap labor, subcontracting, offshoring,
And China is doing way more of that, and it’s getting richer way faster. Russia is also doing that, but thanks to oligarchs, they are failing.
EU capital inflows integrated Poland upward while Africa and Latin America were pushed further down.
And yet, Chins, is the capitol of manufacturing cheap stuff, and most of the minerals and materials are coming to china from Africa and Latin America. China is benefiting way more from Africa than EU. Why are you skipping China here?
Calling China “state capitalism” while praising Nordic capitalism just reveals which ruling class you emotionally trust.
Why are you lying? It’s so tiring, when I’m trying to give you some answers, and then you’re lying all the time, and i have to send answers to straw arguments.
China is a state capitalist country. That’s fact. What this have to do with Norway capitalism? I don’t know. Norway is a social democracy with mixed market economy. Quality of life, and labor laws are way better in Norway. Norway build it’s economy power, thanks to natural resources.
our hatred of “authoritarianism” is not political. It is aesthetic. You dislike governments that look rough while tolerating governments that politely manage exploitation.
DUDE STOP LYING_ stop ad personam. This is really rude.
As i said, i hate authoritarian regimes, that’s why I’m not a fan of any ruling class, no matter is it in Soviet Union, China, USA, or any other part of the world. And you’re pretending that imperialism and exploitation is mostly western problem. Stop lying.
This is why social democrats sided
And why Soviet Unions sided with Nazis in 1939, and they worked with Nazis on attack on Poland in 1939? And what this have to do with todays world? I have no idea.
And why are you trying to picture me as a fan of social democracy? I have no idea.
So stop lying.
You keep shouting “strawman” because you cannot answer structure with intention.
Ad personam, you’re also creating a lot of ad personam, insults. Like this one.
You are emotionally anti-imperialist but analytically liberal. You oppose empire morally while repeating its framework intellectually. You believe imperialism is bad but refuse to analyze who runs the world economy.
More lies and insults.
BTW. Oligarchs and few selected groups are ruling world economy. I listed them somewhere earlier. And countries that you’re protecting, russia and china, are part of many of these groups. But what this have to do with anything, i have no idea.
You want socialism but reject every historical attempt because it was “authoritarian,”
One more lie. Just because soviet union failed because ruling class emerged after few decades, and then it has nothing to do with socialism, or because china is state capitalism, it doesn’t mean that i’m rejecting any socialist movements.
And if you stop lying, i can give you example of socialist movement that actual worked, but it was then attacked by all the authoritarian regimes:
https://kolektiva.media/w/pKgGZtPdpr8MBeMxNTQjGJ?start=35m53s
I’m happy that once again i can teach you something :)
You are angry at capitalism’s outcomes while defending its global architecture.
More lies. Just because I’m against russian imperialism and china state capitalism, remember that I’m also USA imperialism and exploitation of African countries. But at least, I’m admitting that Africa is exploited by west and east imperialistic countries.
That is why you think Russia explains fascism.
Expands maybe? But i gave you a lot of proofs that russia is supporting facist movements around the world. So you skipped the facts and proofs, and now you’re pretending that i never send it ? Dude XD
ou are a child who lacks any understanding of the world beyond vibes if you don’t want to be called a liberal try moving beyond being one first before throwing a tantrum at it being pointed out.
Stop licking east imperialistic boots, russia is clearly imperialistic country, it’s a far right wing authoritarian regime, and you’re licking their boots so hard. I don’t understand, what someone who supports far right authoritarian regime, is doing on this board. Are you a troll or something?
You can lie and insult me as much as possible, but this does not make you right, or far right wing imperialistic authoritarian russian regime, a force of good.
There’s a fair bit of strawman and lack of research here.
First thing, that authoritarian regime is doing, is killing independent press. This is the first sigh, that this is not real democracy.
Let see how “free” press is in the china?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index
There is no such thing as a independent press in China.
That’s why in countries like Russia and Hungary, free press was destroyed, and that’s why oligarchs bought almost all independent media in USA.
Ok, but let’s go deeper. How many politician parties are in china? Can you help me finding out about all the independent parties, that are present in the whole China (not only in Hong Kong and Macau?)?
People in America have been ever more under the thumb of the capitalist machine, which has always been extremely wasteful and punitive on the working class, even high corporate tax and state investment didn’t fix the issue, just ameliorated it a bit for some - neoliberalism is just another expression of the same fundamental problem.
I fully agree. But life after the war, before neoliberalism was still better than after it was introduced. Neoliberalism is just a capitalism on a steroids.
I’m a little shocked to hear you claim otherwise.
Where did i stated that?
In the world we have countries where oligarchs are openly ruling the country, in europe years ago it was a little bit secret that this is going on, and people were pretending that democracy works. Nowadays, thanks to USA and Russia oligarchs, It’s kinda cool to be oligarchs. And that’s sad.
Just to clarify a few thing I don’t support Russia beyond them a pole against us imperialism at this current time.
Sorry, can you elaborate? I dont want to say, that you’re justifying one imperialism by other one. My english is not perfect as you can see, so please elaborate.
I also never claimed they were progressive
Ok, i can see it now, you wrote that it’s not progressive, my apologies.
you shitlib
Please be civil, and dont call me a lib. That would be nice.
“Russian propaganda” is doing all the intellectual labor for you.
I just stated fact that russia is one of the supporters of far right wing politics in the west, and that they are paying a lot for it.
You can find a lot of evidence of it. Like https://www.abc.net.au/education/how-us-youtubers-were-paid-to-spread-propaganda/104390822, https://www.euronews.com/2024/09/05/american-right-wing-influencers-duped-to-work-for-covert-russian-influence-operation-us-sa, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/10/us-far-right-groups-russia-links, https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/13/us/politics/russia-election-interference.html,
If you don’t like these articles, and want more, here you have more, with photos and proof that russia was inviting and organizing far right meetings: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32009360, https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/exclusive-russia-backs-europes-far-right/
It just goes to show how deeply invested in western chauvanism you are.
Please, stop with your russian propaganda. Do you need more evidences? Stop pretending that russia is not funding far right movements in europe or USA.
You keep pretending the West is some fellow victim of neoliberalism alongside Russia. That is absurd.
Then explain to me, why russia is not a victim of neoliberalism after collapse of east block? What is your statement?
Western Europe and the US were not passive sufferers.
Are you talking about oligarch groups, and things like Bildberg group, that russia is actual part of? It’s funny, that you skipped very controversial groups that russia is a part of. Maybe we can talk about G20? Also why you didn’t say, who (russia) applied to IMF in 1991?
Noeliberalism was born in the two countries. So based of your statement, we can say, than all other countries are a victims of these two? Can you see what’s the problem? Oligarchs. They are the ones, that are pushing us toward “free” market economy.
Also, why are you blaming post soviet countries for neoliberalism? You know, that for us (I’m from Poland) people hated so much being slave to soviets, that we choose to join west? And as you can see, especially after joining UE, we’re right now way richer than any other post soviet country that didn’t join UE.
EU accession shocks, and global financial domination
So, if the economic growth is something wrong, why russia is also trying to regain economic power after collapse of soviet union, and why China is doing the same thing and it’s way more efficient than west? Are you also going to blame china for getting a lot of financial domination over rest of the world?
The Global South was super exploited.
True. And this is still going on now.
Western corporations made record profits.
Why are you skipping part about China and soviet role? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/6/as-china-africa-woo-each-other-who-gains-more-its-complex-say-experts https://africacenter.org/spotlight/china-africa-critical-minerals/ https://theconversation.com/maps-showing-chinas-growing-influence-in-africa-distort-reality-but-some-risks-are-real-249454
And we can talk about cold war era, where USA was supporting one side of the conflict, and soviets the other one, destabilizing the region more and more.
And why are you not talking about soviets exploitation of east block countries? Oh no, it doesn’t fit your agenda? So bad. Or we can go deeper. Can you remember why revolution started in Russia? Why tzar was killed? Because Russia was exploiting their own citizens so much, that they decided to kill elites, and this made their life better (i think that with this one you can agree?).
I’m not saying that west is good, I’m just saying, that all types of imperialism is bad, no matter where it comes, is it china, russia, usa or Europe.
Social democracy that you seem to hold in such high regard is not socialism.
Please stop lying. No straw man arguments, no lies. Maybe you didn’t understood what i wrote, so let’s go back and see
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
And in other post i agreed with statement, than in Spain they were able to establish anarchist region, and i liked that, i supported, and it was good. So this is the closest to my political views. I’m anti authoritarian, anti imperialistic. Do i support social democracy? I prefer other solutions, but still if i have to choose, Norway is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism in china.
That is why your welfare collapsed
Please stop lying, and stop with the straw man arguments and ad personam. OK? I’m not oligarch, I’m not russian oil billionaire, or USA tech bro.
As i wrote in one of the comments, west won the cold war, because they understood that, to prevent socialist revolution, they need middle class to exist. After soviet collapse, and russia turning in to another capitalist country, and china switching in to state capitalism, there is no real socialist movement in the world, so no one cares about the revolution.
The money stopped flowing. So the mask came off. You keep saying oligarchs controlling society leads to collapse. Correct. That is capitalism.
That is any system, where all the power is held in hands of small group of people. That’s why monarchies, feudalism, and soviet union collapsed, that’s why people started revolutions.
I can give you example, Poland. Polish WORKERS, working class people, started revolution to stop authoritarian government that was subordinate to soviets. Workers fought against “working class” party, that held the power for so many decades, and stop giving shit about workers. And this was common at the end of east block.
Can we say, that this was fault of capitalism? If you want to say, that authoritarian regime pretending to be working class, was a capitalism, go ahead.
Calling Western capitalism “democracy” and Eastern capitalism “authoritarianism” is childish. You talk about minorities as if hatred originates from Russian propaganda.
One again, why are you lying? There are also authoritarian countries in the west, currently USA is turning in to authoritarian country. Stop with the straw man arguments.
You talk about minorities as if hatred originates from Russian propaganda.
Of course that russia paying for the homophobic organizations, and supporting them way more than catholic church, is responsible for homophobia.
This is basic historical materialism. You also keep pretending Russia is some unique imperial monster trying to resurrect the tsar.
Stop lying, OK? No more straw arguments. Again, is it unique? No. Is it only imperialism? No. Is it the only big country that had tsar? Probably yes.
But somehow Russia is the singular threat to world stability.
Dude, grow up. Today we have two opposite sides, China and USA. Somewhere there there is also UE and Japan. Stop pretending that nowadays russia is some kind of super power. It’s not. Germany is a bigger alternative for USA, than ruSSia.
Historically, social democrats disarmed the
And water is wet. Why are you creating strawman arguments, pretending that I’m somehow big fan of social democracy? I said it, it’s better than state capitalism, but there are better options. Social democracy is not something that we should aim, we need more direct democracy and more power in a hands of regular people, so state is working for the people, not for the oligarchs. You can call it socialism, you can call it anarchism, and so on.
And now it’s a special round of your lies:
You want revolution in Russia while defending the same capitalist structure in Europe that would crush such a revolution instantly if it ever threatened property relations.
Stop lying. I never said that.
You are repeating the moral language of the empire.
More lies, of someone who is pretending that the most imperialistic and antiworker and antihuman country in europe, russia, some kind of alternative that we should support.
You replaced dialectical materialism with NATO talking points and think that makes you progressive.
One more lie. Where did you find out that i love nato? Someone lied to you. Only reason why NATO was created, was east block being so united, and working so close, so the west wanted to have similar military cooperation.
And in the end, east block collapse, because the same people were on the top for way too long.
Until you confront that, you will keep chasing villains abroad while fascism grows at home.
More straw man arguments, and skipping the facts. So sad.
You know what’s is sad? That i would like to have some socialist alternative to west. so USA and UE would invest way more in to the middle class, and living standards.
Nope, after the war, when USA had very high corporate tax and very high state investment in science and middle class, American dream was a thing. Then in the 70’ the switch to neoliberalism, middle class start getting poorer.
China serves its people, for better or worse.
Of course not. As long as you have rulling class and they have all the power, state is serving them. You can call them kings, oligarchs, party, priests, pope, tzars, and so on. But the problem is the same. State is serving the rulling class.
Like USA after the war. USA was afraid of socialist revolution, so rulling class decided to stop it by creating middle class, supporting poor people and so on.
In Europe this approach was done for so long that we almost forget what are oligarchs. It was a shame to have bilions and openly control Media or politics. Because we saw what’s goin on in the Russia after Soviet collapse.
Norway and Sweden are not socialist countries, they are social democracies.
Still social democracy is way better and way more socialist than state capitalism.
The goal should be to end worker exploitation, not export it.
So we agree, and now you don’t like china? Working conditions in china are way worst than in Norway. Finally we’re agreeing on something.
. Is it authoritarian to follow the commands of your captain when you are in battle?
If your whole life is a war, and you’re living in military state, then sorry, but you’re already in a way worst scenario than you think. Look at weird paramilitary groups that are using kids as a army, brainwashing is strong and they are saying what you said.
This is the problem with authoritarian stare. It steals your humanity and freedom, it thinks for you, and it control’s you. It doesn’t matter if you’re slave of rulling class in capitalist stare or slave of rulling class in whatever you’re referring to. It’s the same state but with different flags and slogans.
I agree, there are examples in history, how by fighting authoritarianism and the state, by giving people the power, we can solve these problems.
Too bad that then the country becomes target for authoritarian regimes and capitalist states.
Dude, you’re repeating Russian propaganda over and over.
West the same way as Russia is a victim of neoliberalism. When soviet union collapsed due to keeping the power in the hands of the same people for way too long, then neoliberalism kicked in the same way as in whole Europe.
Transformation in the east block created many oligarchs, oligarchs choose who will rule, and they support far right as much as possible.
And when western Europe choose democracy, because cold war pushed west governments to create middle class, east block people never had this opportunity. Easy block collapsed, all the goods, factories and so one, instead of being given to regural people, was stolen by the rulling class. I’m from Poland, so this is exact what happened. And then right authoritarian regime in Russia start to blame minorities like LGBT people for situation in country.
And then years after, west countries were fighting and winnings things like keeping high social benefits and winning rights for minorities, countries like Russia was way behind. Keeping power in a hands of rulling class, oligarchs, like in Russia or Ukraine. Always leads to collapse.
One of the ways for Russia to gain more power is to weakening Europe. Oligarchs and rulling class in Russia is not going to let go, they are living like tzar family when regular people are starving. They need weak and broken Europe to at least have some power in region. In Europe no one wants to be ally of Russian far right wing regime.
Btw Russia is not progressive, it’s a right wing authoritarian regime that is trying to replicate tzar imperium times, with oligarchs on top. And regular people on the bottom. With hated for anyone who is different.
I wish for Russia to have revolution again, so normal people could get the power, and oligarchs will be you know where
Like tiananmen never happened, there is no rulling class in china, working conditions are not way worst than in the EU and citizens can choose who is in power…
Dude, state capitalism, and country controlled by rulling class is the same shit as other types of capitalism and authoritarism, because you have no power.
China good because USA is collapsing?
Nice whataboutism.
Of course let’s ignore laogai, tianamen massacre, lack of basic freedoms, lack of free media and press, tack of basic democracy.
Also we can talk about working conditions, but please don’t do whataboutism again. There are plenty of inside videos and articles like this one https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract
Of course our anti freedom supporters of state capitalism and rulling class will pretend that one party Central government and rilling class is a good thing because neoliberal country like USA is turning into shit.
Btw.maybe you can compare working condition of state capitalist china to way more socialist country like Norway or Sweden?
China well known for state capitalism. Lack of basic human rights, genocides, and so on?
Dude. You know that in china regular person have almost sero power of what’s going on?
You cannot call a country free and rulled by the people, when there are laogai, hundreds or more of them.
Also china is closed ally of north Korea, totalitarian regime, with small rulling class and starving people.
China is just better in capitalism than neoliberal countries, but this is not make it great.
It matters a lot. Authoritarian is evil from the beginning. If you have authoritarianism, then you’re giving the power to a small group of people, therefore creating new rulling class. And as we know from the history, a lot of power in a hands of few, always corrupts.
It doesn’t matter who is your lord, or how is your master is presenting himself. Doesn’t matter if he is saying that god send him here, or his parents were kings, or he earn tons of money thanks to other people work, or he is a “working class” hero who now want to control other workers and people.
Democracy gives you chance to change that, to at least change who is making decision, who is in power. That’s why oligarchs wants to take control of democracy, by creating one or two party system (China, USA, CCCP), or they will take control over media, and destroy independent journalism so no one knows what’s going on (Russia).