Got it, apologies on the typo and subsequent misunderstanding.

I think we’re both after the same thing - I guess I’m just trying to get the safety net before attacking the “top” of what is reasonable.

And I’m kind of OK with a nearly infinite top… As long as the tax rate makes sense. If you’re at a 95% tax rate (and loopholes aren’t rampant… Lot of ifs here) then go nuts. You’ll be supplying a good life for many people, by force, as a result of good taxes and public policy.

Yes, the disparity is the problem. But it needs to actually be spread out. Things like universal health care do that inherently if they properly raise taxes on the rich.

Redistributing wealth from the top 0.1% to the top 1% doesn’t accomplish anything meaningful.

And yes, paying for it will come from taxing the rich. None of that has to do with capitalism exclusively.

I feel like we’re after the same thing but you’re more interested in attacking my idea than building something together or proposing something different. I’m sorry if that’s harsh, but your questions are quite loaded and you didn’t offer anything of substance yourself. The only thing you didn’t deflect back to me was saying “the disparity is the problem”, and that is precisely the point I was making. I’m specifically pointing out that it’s about the full disparity.

I think concern is placed on the wrong end, at least in terms of criticality.

I am less concerned about “maximums” right now. I know that’s going to set off all kinds of alarm bells right now, but bear with me.

The two are intertwined for sure, but I’m mostly concerned with “minimums”. If we had a society with Universal Basic Income, housing and Healthcare for everyone, and people had a safety net to pursue their passions, then I’m far less concerned about if someone has a billion dollars.

Again, they are both part of the same problem, but it’s the focus. If billionaires were no longer allowed, and the money was re distributed amount people with 9 figure net worth already, it doesn’t solve anything.

So yeah if people have the mobility to move from jobs, housing and Healthcare taken care of, and their basic needs met, I think it solves a lot of labor exploitation right away.

From there we can continue the debate, but I’m more concerned about taking care of everyone who is closer to the floor then worrying about the ceiling. I think there are capitalist ways that continue to reward actual breakthroughs and risks rather than the exploitation we have now.

It doesn’t even seem current proof lol

I mean if you’re talking about this version of capitalism, sure. But capitalism is more than one thing. These monolithic ideas that you are either capitalist or socialist or something else really downgrades the debate.

I have no love for what we have today. But there’s a version of capitalism I could live with - it’s just a far cry from what we have.

These overly simplistic memes don’t do any favors, in my opinion. Saying if you believe in capitalism you are right wing is more alienating than galvanizing, and it reduces so many concepts down to such basic ones that there’s no real meaning left.