I do, and did, but you’re so utterly blind as to how you’re coming off, when I point it out, you go “nu-uh”, try to explain more politics at people, or get offended. It’s really amazing to watch, it’s like, seeing a guy on fire who’s in absolute denial of it. But then denying being on fire makes the guy more on fire?

Like, you come on in here saying that maybe Americans should lead a communist revolution, because they all think the same, even though that’s like, a lot of different cultures and everything, and when someone points out that’s kinda racist, your response was to explain communism harder and say that it wasn’t racist because you decided it wasn’t. And I’ve tried multiple angles for days to see if you at any point would go “yeah that was a little fucked up of me” or even the minimum of “I could see how someone could see that”, and instead you humblebrag about how “no one else has had a problem with it with my many many friends”, and double down again.

It’s the perfect storm of ego and lingo trying to seen intellectually and morally superior when you’re actually doing something shitty. You’re like, the strawman that conservatives make up of the Left. It’s like seeing a unicorn it’s amazing, except the unicorn is on fire?

And now, after days of doubling down and denial, after saying you’re deliberately not saying anything to recognize what I said, you’re winging about feeling like you’re not being heard.

BRAVISIMO! IT’S THE IRONY CHERRY ON THE TOP! INCREDIBLE! CHEF’S KISS PERFECTION! YOU’RE MAD ABOUT THE THING YOU’RE DOING TOO!

That was a delight, absolutely.

So I’m pretty sure that wraps up this saga. I can’t get you to admit you did anything wrong because you think you’re perfect, and you can’t get me to admit you’re perfect and did nothing wrong. So this conversation is going nowhere other than as an amusement or the stroking of an ego.

Knowing your type, you’ll probably insist of having the last word anyway, try to pull off that W in the Internet debate box, but I’m not above that either and maybe you’ll surprise me and end this charade.

I didn’t say that you said anything about rape. Damn you really don’t care about what other people say do you… If you cared you’d actually read stuff and try to understand it.

Wow, you sound like someone refusing to apologize for a rape joke right now.

If you don’t get how you came off as racist then you clearly didn’t care to listen to what I said earlier.

I think that even if you’re talking to a lot of people, given our interaction, it’s a blind spot for you. People may just give up and not talk to you when you are being condescending or just not day anything because they want to be polite. It’s a little presumptuous to say “well most of the time it isn’t a problem but since it’s only come up once or twice I don’t have to respect these people to acknowledge what they are saying and can just double down on educating them.”

Maybe then people won’t assume you’re being low-key racist and call you out on it like I did.

I was genuinely saying that not to be an insult, you just come off as the guy who just talks down to people using jargon, and figured talking to people outside of where that might be more of a norm would help. I apologize.

You are terrible at showing that you’ve been listening.

Look man your heart is in the right place but your approach is very academic and comes off as patronizing, it might be time to talk to people irl about noon political stuff, might help when talking to people outside of the usual socialist social circle.

That’s why I’m pretty sure you have been more invested in talking than listening, because I’ve been trying to get you to see the problem for days now my man.

I’m trying to get you to understand that you’ve been coming off like a dick and trying to help you not come off like a dick, because I believe in what you’re trying to do, and coming off as a dick is hurting the cause of things we both want in this world.

Telling people that you aren’t coming off as a dick (i.e. condescending) is saying their feelings aren’t valid and is being a dick. So yeah, you were telling people how to feel. “Well I wasn’t trying to be a dick so you shouldn’t feel like I was being a dick” isn’t a great for you, me, or our mutual cause.

You don’t get to tell others how they feel about things, that’s very invalidating.

If you weren’t intending on being condescending but to others you seem condescending, that’s a problem to fix on your end, right?

Bro, if we’re talking about convenience tone, you’ve come off like that from the start with people. I don’t think you meant it, but you sounded very “holier and more socially enlightened than thou”, especially when you doubled down on explaining things rather than like, trying to understand what they were saying.

It’s very hard to tell that you’re listening. Maybe that’s something else you can work on, I’d be happy to provide feedback so you can help people feel heard and included.

If you’ve been misunderstood, it’s important to know why you’ve been misunderstood, and that involves listening more, not talking more.

I think we’re having a communication issue, where I’m trying to explain how you’re coming off, and you’re trying to explain how you’re right. Being correct doesn’t mean that you presented that correctness in a way that honors your truth, and can have the opposite effect of what you want. I don’t even disagree with what your overall point is, but the way you’ve been wording things until this last comment hasn’t been doing your overall point justice.

I feel that, but when you say the ideal is an indigenous led movement, and case that on the assumption that indigenous people will be all on board, it doesn’t come off as multi faceted, especially when you say that’s the ideal outcome. Your ideal outcome is based off of an assumption based on race, while lumping many races and cultures together. That’s easy different from “we need to bring the various indigenous people to the table and try to rebuild in a way outside of colonialism”.

Idk mate, you’re the one who brought up the idea of an indigenous socialist revolution and now you’re saying that ideal isn’t a solid foundation. I thought the point was to unite the working class as a whole, not put a generic category of race made by colonialism on a pedestal. “Indigenous” isn’t a single group of people who all think vaguely the same about communism, so I’m not sure why you thought it would be a good idea to say that’s the ideal situation.

“native Americans are more likely to like communism” isn’t exactly a solid foundation for establishing “an indigenous led, decolonial socialist state [that] takes the place of the former US Empire,”

It is highly unlikely that if the us government collapses everyone’s going to be like “whelp let’s let the communist indigenous people lead may as well, even though they don’t have the numbers, arms, food or production to run anything”

Sure in an idealistic sense it would be cool to go full Ferngully/dances with wolves/Avatar/noble savage cliche but if we’re going to dream that big I’d like an infinite pizza shooting unicorn.