Can you agree we can’t put an infinite amount of people on a finite planet?

So that by default the discussion is not if overpopulation can exist, but when we reached it? If you don’t feel we reached it yet, i can imagine that. It’s a very tough topic. But just the very basic facts of existing on a planet of finite size means that there can only be so many of us before everything collapses.

And which fascist things do you associate with the “overpopulation” topic (i imagine for example the one child policy in china?). It’s not because something has been used by fascism, that it’s inherently fascist.

Current agricultural progress is mostly about needing as few people as possible for farming, not making enough food for everyone. It’s widely known there is plenty of food, the issues are social as to why some are still hungry, not technological.

And in the end, we’re on a finite planet, so whichever way you look at it, keeping increasing population numbers has to end somewhere, so the question is not does enough humans exist, but what is enough, and i think there are plenty of arguments thaht we’re overpopulating the earth already.

You’re quickly glossing over all the issues.

“human population has only been able to increase thanks to innovation”: and that’s a good thing? What would be wrong with a more manageable human population?

“If you want to go back to nature, by all means do.”: how? The world has advanced beyond that, it’s clearly not an option.

“the only way forward is through science and innovation”: if science & innovation is what you call forward, then obviously yes, but that’s just a tautology. What is your measure of “forward”? If it’s power over nature, advancements, … then for sure. If it’s respecting this earth and not long term ruining the entire planet… how sure are you about that?

“limiting roundup”: ah, an innovation that should be limited. What went wrong that it was globally used before we were sure enough about its side effects? How sure are you about all the current innovations that they don’t have similar issues? How sure are you about this bee superfood not having disastrous long term effects?

If you ignore all the issues with it though, innovation is incredible for sure!

I’m interested in your opinion, but can you like maybe not just post a personal attack, and explain why you think what the guy you replied to is stupid?

From my experience, what he describes really reflects what we see happening in the world all the time. layers of layers of us causing issues, and then solving them with more technologies, creating new problems, etc… etc… etc…

And the big bet is that we’re not digging ourselves into a very deep hole. In the end, the existential threat of global warming is one of the examples. We kept solving problems with burning more & more burning of fossil fuels, and then suddenly “o crap”.