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China needs unions.
People in China really need to do what their anthem says:
起来，不愿做奴隶的人们 (Arise, those who refuse to be slaves)
Thank you for this
Oh I’m sure that’ll go perfectly well in China!
Maybe ask some students on how well that went when they protested on some big square there…
Tbf they did protest against the so-called “zero covid” policy and the government sort of gave in.
Was that before or after they welded a bunch of apartment complex doors closed?
You know the answer already, but for those that don’t: after.
I’m aware. I still think they’re the country most in need of labor unions.
Oh, you were serious! Well, I think what they need is Democracy first, then unions. Communism theoretically eliminates the need for unions, but the reality is that it’s just a dictatorship. Unions in China would likely either be co-opted by the Communist party through subterfuge, or through “reeducating” the misguided leadership and defining the unions - thus landing them right where they are, with a new bureaucracy.
Unions represent the spirit of the checks and balances envisioned in the U.S. Constitution. It is only by being of near equal power to the company that employees can negotiate for fair compensation and treatment. Without that, they’re just resources. It’s an effort to use human nature to gain good outcomes.
They were manipulated by CIA plants that were murdering Chinese army soldiers. So. There’s that part of the story that caused the states response.
Username checks out.
Tankies will always find any excuse to say China can do no wrong, and if they do it’s the west’s fault…
“We had to massacre those protesters, you see. The US was targeting our military assets! It’s their fault.” Golly.
I mean. If labor unions killed people. Like they did during some of the coal mine riots. It gives the police and at times military freedoms to retaliate.
I grew up where the sheriff of my county killed 25 people in a single day before miner unions were allowed to exist.
Look up the Williamsport Mine Field Riots. They treated these people like animals. Just like the CCP treats their lower workers.
I’m not a tankie. I just know what happened on the ground that led up to the violence. I was in a masters program for counter terror.
Maybe I misunderstood your original comment. It seemed like you were saying that it was okay for the CCP to massacre protestors because the protestors were manipulated by CIA plants.
If that’s not what you were saying, then I was mistaken. If it was, then I don’t know how anything you just said is supposed to change my opinion…
I was just saying what they used as evidence for ending the student uprising. I’m not saying it was acceptable. I’m just pointing out the acts that they used to back up their actions. All of those students weren’t even aware of this. They didn’t know what they got pulled into. It was tragic.
Didn’t you hear? China’s been one gigantic people’s union since 1949. That’s the whole point of Communism. As you can see, it’s working swimmingly well.
Chinas communist party is as communist as trump is a democratic leader.
Or as our German „Christian party“ is christian…
Christianity: love thy neighbour German christianity party: the immigrants are ruining our cityscapes by their presence
Sounds like American Evangelism. I bet they coordinate.
Tiananmen square protests were (also) against introduction of capitalism to China, so… you know… (https://jacobin.com/2019/06/tiananmen-square-worker-organization-socialist-democracy)
I was implying nothing about any other type of societal organization. However, since you mention it, I will point out that Capitalism (which is an economic, not political philosophy) can become horrific for the same reasons Communism becomes horrific - People. Communism was a response to naked, mercantilist Capitalism. Marx’s heart was in the right place, but he was describing a Utopia.
I think Democracy (in its many forms) designed with checks and balances is a viable answer to the problem. It ain’t magic, though. People still need to ensure it remains balanced. We’ve been having some trouble with that lately. It took fifty years of planning for the authoritarians to get us here. It’s a good sign it was so difficult, but now we have to work hard to fix the mess.
Calling marx utopian lol
Yeah, you wish. Electoralism will always work in favour of the wealthy class. Even damn ancient Greeks knew that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition
TIL Sortition. Thanks. Your since you don’t believe in democracy, what form of governance do you feel is best?
Sortition.
I’d love to hear the logistics of making that work well in the current world.
“But China is a communist utopia!!! It’s a dictatorship of the proletariat! Any criticism of the CCP is western propaganda!!!”
-tankies
We’ve all seen some of the cool elements on RedHat. I especially like the local farmer trucks rolling through towns with fresh veggies. And watching how much easier it is to grow tea there than in my backyard.
But let’s not play pretend.
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Hey, how come you didn’t get the snide arrogant insults for saying the same thing I did? I’m jealous! ;-)