TL;DR: The big tech AI company LLMs have gobbled up all of our data, but the damage they have done to open source and free culture communities are particularly insidious. By taking advantage of those who share freely, they destroy the bargain that made free software spread like wildfire.

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    2 months ago

    Do you understand how free software works? Did you read the post? I’d love to clarify, but I’m not going to rewrite the article.

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      2 months ago

      Also - this conclusion is ridiculous:

      By incorporating copyleft data into their models, the LLMs do share the work - but not alike. Instead, the AI strips the work of its provenance and transforms it to be copyright free.

      That is absolutely not true. It doesn’t remove the copyright from the original work and no court has ruled as such.

      If I wrote a “random code generator” that just happened to create the source code for Microsoft Windows in entirety it wouldn’t strip Microsoft of its copyright.

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        1 month ago

        That is absolutely not true. It doesn’t remove the copyright from the original work and no court has ruled as such.

        Sorry, I just got around to this message. That is the idea of the provenance – clearly, the canonical work is copyright. It is the version that has been stripped of its provenance via the LLM that no longer retains its copyright (because as I pointed out, LLM outputs cannot be copyright).

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          1 month ago

          That doesn’t make it “no longer copy-written” though. The original copyright holder retains their copyright on it. I can’t see any court ruling otherwise.

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            1 month ago

            The output of the LLM can be incorporated into copyrighted material and is copyright free. I never claimed that the copyright on the original work was lost.

    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      Yes. And this is kinda hand-wavy bullshit.

      By incorporating copyleft data into their models, the LLMs do share the work - but not alike. Instead, the AI strips the work of its provenance and transforms it to be copyright free.

      That’s not how it works. Your code is not “incorporated” into the model in any recognizable form. It trains a model of vectors. There isn’t a file with your for loop in there though.

      I can read your code, learn from it, and create my own code with the knowledge gained from your code without violating an OSS license. So can an LLM.

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        2 months ago

        I can read your code, learn from it, and create my own code with the knowledge gained from your code without violating an OSS license.

        Why is Clean-room design a thing then?