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Obviously never been involved in any left wing activism, because oh boy oh boy you’d quickly realise just how authoritarian our liberal democracies are.
Also define authoritarian in anyway that excludes any possible state you would support, and includes a state you’ve been told is authoritarian by people currently raping children in concentration camps.
One does not exclude the other however much you jump to logical fallacies. Exaggerate to make your point all you want, it still doesn’t make it any less realistic.
We really have been too tolerant of intolerance. Just like fascists, you guys need to be ostracised and where applicable prosecuted. Authoritarian capitalism/authoritarian quasi capitalist/communism - both are bed fellows, and both need to go.
One does, actually, by the definition of ‘left-wing’ politics, exclude the other.
Horseshoe theory and other ‘enlightened centrist’ viewpoints were created solely, and I do mean solely, to disrupt class consciousness. Nearly all propaganda you believe that make the USSR or China seem bad was created by the US wholesale, with some being created by criminals given extremely cushy paychecks for life for utilizing their background to give legitimacy to stories made up by people that never left the US.
‘Intolerance,’ doesn’t enter into it. Period. There isn’t any documented accounts of that from any left wing government. Period.
Not propaganda, historical fact. I see many ills in this world, of which the USSR was one, China is one, the USA another. All different, all unique in their own method of tyranny. In this viewpoint is nuance and subtlety. And in that subtlety is context.
So I suppose in your mind all the academics Stalin had murdered all deserved it yes? I suppose murder in the name of the soviet state is acceptable as long they’re political enemies right? I suppose the Uyghurs are all happy and definitely haven’t been persecuted or reeducated hmm?
I can say all of these things whilst also seeing and commenting on the numerous hands the USA has had in coups across the world. The many wars they’ve started, and the lives the MIC has sacrificed in the name of profit.
Authoritarianism by its very nature is intolerance leading to trauma, abuse and pain. It is quite literally scapegoating and persecuting a group of people for political gain, which can often end in the harming and death of said group.
Both sides of the authoritarian equation are built on othering groups of people for political purposes.
It’s also the dimension of the political compass in which authoritarians would prefer we not talk about so I talk about it as much as is feasible.
The alternative to authoritarian socialism is libertarian socialism which is where any person who values both theirs and their fellow humans dignity and mutual respect would want to live.
But, that aside, left and right are pointless measures, secondary in their importance, if both are governed by people willing to remove personal freedoms and sovereignty in the name of however they like to measure progress.
When you rule with an iron fist, when there is no due process, when there is no personal representation only state representation and the ability for change that can only come from a functioning and healthy democracy; people are squashed under the boot of those in power a la Orwell’s Animal Farm. Neither of these worlds are ones I want to live in; nor do I want for any of my loved ones.
So I suppose in your mind all the academics Stalin had murdered all deserved it yes?
Generally yes? Exceedingly few ‘academics’ were ‘murdered’ in the USSR, are you confusing it with China who made ‘academics’ work in the fields as a way to force them to understand how their ‘lessers’ were living?
Stalin also didn’t ‘murder’ anyone. He didn’t have that authority vested to him. There are multiple historic sources showing Stalin fighting with the council to do things, which is not something a ‘dictator’ has to do. All of the purges were backed by the democratic authority, and generally well backed. The implementation sometimes went awry, because it was the 1940 and 50ss and proving identity was basically impossible.
I suppose murder in the name of the soviet state is acceptable as long they’re political enemies right?
Depending on the enemy, yes. Objectively yes. And you also believe this. The Nazis were political enemies.
I suppose the Uyghurs are all happy and definitely haven’t been persecuted or reeducated hmm?
No. They haven’t been. Again no international neutral party has ever supported the idea of a genocide happening on the Uyghur people. Not a single one. There are a handful of people, literally less than two dozen, none of which have ever been shown to live in China, that have generated the totality of claims against China during their response to the Terror attacks funded by the US and Turkey. If you believe this propaganda point, you’re doing the meme of a ‘enlightened centrist’ that doesn’t realize their ‘center’ is a heavily propagandized and heavily curated version of reality that does not line up with actual reality.
It’s also the dimension of the political compass in which authoritarians would prefer we not talk about so I talk about it as much as is feasible.
The political compass is useless. It’s the Meyers Briggs of the political world – i.e. it has no scientific backing whatsoever and Buzzfeed quizzes are objectively more accurate to the realities of the world.
The alternative to authoritarian socialism is libertarian socialism which is where any person who values both theirs and their fellow humans dignity and mutual respect would want to live.
That is just socialism. There is no difference. That is literally the basis of all socialist movements. Read any theory, read any manifesto, read literally anything any of these ‘evil dictators’ wrote. Anything. Did you know Xi Jingping has a doctorate and has published more internationally peer reviewed papers than any other world leader? Did you know he has nine books? Did you know Stalin published at least two? Did you know there is no such thing as ‘Stalinism’, a term that first appeared in the late 2000s?
There is plenty of information out there, translated to all ten major languages that over 90% of the population at this point.
When you rule with an iron fist, when there is no due process, when there is no personal representation only state representation and the ability for change that can only come from a functioning and healthy democracy; people are squashed under the boot of those in power a la Orwell’s Animal Farm. Neither of these worlds are ones I want to live in; nor do I want for any of my loved ones.
The USSR had jury trials*. China has jury trials. There is due process written into both constitutions. The reason you believe there was not is not ‘historical record’ it is simply the propaganda you were taught by a system built exclusively to dissuade you from any useful action. All revolutions will get to the stage where the people are in charge of the state – and that will require massive amounts of violence, and that will result in massive amounts of violence. Because people do not give up their power. Tomorrow, if the US were to undergo its first people-led democratic revolution, your neighbors that own land or are fans of those owning land will be subject to violence. They’re not going to give up their greed easily. Many will work with countries that are enemies of their people in order to stop the revolution. There isn’t another solution that has been proven to work, unfortunately.
Yes, during specific war-time purges these were illegally suspended, not by Stalin, but by individual officers who lost their jobs and many were executed by the state for violating rights. As Stalin wrote he deeply regretted not dedicating more resources and not having clearer directives on how to carry out the trials of suspected nazi and US collaborators, especially in liberated lands that had extensive nazi collaboration where proving fact was difficult.
🤦♂️ Obviously never been involved in any left wing activism, because oh boy oh boy you’d quickly realise just how authoritarian our liberal democracies are.
Liberal Democracies being authoritarian doesn’t mean leftist governments can’t be. It’s not a zero sum game.
It actually does, if they’re leftist.
Also define authoritarian in anyway that excludes any possible state you would support, and includes a state you’ve been told is authoritarian by people currently raping children in concentration camps.
One does not exclude the other however much you jump to logical fallacies. Exaggerate to make your point all you want, it still doesn’t make it any less realistic.
We really have been too tolerant of intolerance. Just like fascists, you guys need to be ostracised and where applicable prosecuted. Authoritarian capitalism/authoritarian quasi capitalist/communism - both are bed fellows, and both need to go.
One does, actually, by the definition of ‘left-wing’ politics, exclude the other.
Horseshoe theory and other ‘enlightened centrist’ viewpoints were created solely, and I do mean solely, to disrupt class consciousness. Nearly all propaganda you believe that make the USSR or China seem bad was created by the US wholesale, with some being created by criminals given extremely cushy paychecks for life for utilizing their background to give legitimacy to stories made up by people that never left the US.
‘Intolerance,’ doesn’t enter into it. Period. There isn’t any documented accounts of that from any left wing government. Period.
Not propaganda, historical fact. I see many ills in this world, of which the USSR was one, China is one, the USA another. All different, all unique in their own method of tyranny. In this viewpoint is nuance and subtlety. And in that subtlety is context.
So I suppose in your mind all the academics Stalin had murdered all deserved it yes? I suppose murder in the name of the soviet state is acceptable as long they’re political enemies right? I suppose the Uyghurs are all happy and definitely haven’t been persecuted or reeducated hmm?
I can say all of these things whilst also seeing and commenting on the numerous hands the USA has had in coups across the world. The many wars they’ve started, and the lives the MIC has sacrificed in the name of profit.
Authoritarianism by its very nature is intolerance leading to trauma, abuse and pain. It is quite literally scapegoating and persecuting a group of people for political gain, which can often end in the harming and death of said group.
Both sides of the authoritarian equation are built on othering groups of people for political purposes.
It’s also the dimension of the political compass in which authoritarians would prefer we not talk about so I talk about it as much as is feasible.
The alternative to authoritarian socialism is libertarian socialism which is where any person who values both theirs and their fellow humans dignity and mutual respect would want to live.
But, that aside, left and right are pointless measures, secondary in their importance, if both are governed by people willing to remove personal freedoms and sovereignty in the name of however they like to measure progress.
When you rule with an iron fist, when there is no due process, when there is no personal representation only state representation and the ability for change that can only come from a functioning and healthy democracy; people are squashed under the boot of those in power a la Orwell’s Animal Farm. Neither of these worlds are ones I want to live in; nor do I want for any of my loved ones.
Generally yes? Exceedingly few ‘academics’ were ‘murdered’ in the USSR, are you confusing it with China who made ‘academics’ work in the fields as a way to force them to understand how their ‘lessers’ were living?
Stalin also didn’t ‘murder’ anyone. He didn’t have that authority vested to him. There are multiple historic sources showing Stalin fighting with the council to do things, which is not something a ‘dictator’ has to do. All of the purges were backed by the democratic authority, and generally well backed. The implementation sometimes went awry, because it was the 1940 and 50ss and proving identity was basically impossible.
Depending on the enemy, yes. Objectively yes. And you also believe this. The Nazis were political enemies.
No. They haven’t been. Again no international neutral party has ever supported the idea of a genocide happening on the Uyghur people. Not a single one. There are a handful of people, literally less than two dozen, none of which have ever been shown to live in China, that have generated the totality of claims against China during their response to the Terror attacks funded by the US and Turkey. If you believe this propaganda point, you’re doing the meme of a ‘enlightened centrist’ that doesn’t realize their ‘center’ is a heavily propagandized and heavily curated version of reality that does not line up with actual reality.
The political compass is useless. It’s the Meyers Briggs of the political world – i.e. it has no scientific backing whatsoever and Buzzfeed quizzes are objectively more accurate to the realities of the world.
That is just socialism. There is no difference. That is literally the basis of all socialist movements. Read any theory, read any manifesto, read literally anything any of these ‘evil dictators’ wrote. Anything. Did you know Xi Jingping has a doctorate and has published more internationally peer reviewed papers than any other world leader? Did you know he has nine books? Did you know Stalin published at least two? Did you know there is no such thing as ‘Stalinism’, a term that first appeared in the late 2000s?
There is plenty of information out there, translated to all ten major languages that over 90% of the population at this point.
The USSR had jury trials*. China has jury trials. There is due process written into both constitutions. The reason you believe there was not is not ‘historical record’ it is simply the propaganda you were taught by a system built exclusively to dissuade you from any useful action. All revolutions will get to the stage where the people are in charge of the state – and that will require massive amounts of violence, and that will result in massive amounts of violence. Because people do not give up their power. Tomorrow, if the US were to undergo its first people-led democratic revolution, your neighbors that own land or are fans of those owning land will be subject to violence. They’re not going to give up their greed easily. Many will work with countries that are enemies of their people in order to stop the revolution. There isn’t another solution that has been proven to work, unfortunately.