I keep seeing this content that’s “men are so stupid and inferior and awful” and it’s grating on me.
That’s because it’s troll bait. Just like all generations have a bigger than wanted set of shitty people. I don’t feel like I can take this shit down because it’s not breaking any rules. You all can help by not falling for the bait though.
Definitely this. It circulates widely because it generates outrage, even though the number of people who actually believe this is miniscule. This is the same technique right-wing media uses
It was shown to be the case in the muller reports I think. Its only rational to assume its ramped up a lot more since then especially given how effective its been.
i mean i might be able to dig through logs and find similarities between times, vpns, etc. we’re talking forensic bullshit but i’d need instance level cooperation and it’s work work, so i’d need money. it honestly doesn’t sound worth it on either of our ends since my rates aren’t really what you’d be looking to pay. i used to be an accountant in a former life, before my disability got too bad, and did a few forensic gigs a year.
As I said in another comment, I don’t think OP meant it as troll bait. He probably thought it was funny and the trolls go off on it. They’ll make up opportunities if they can’t seize them. I do think they post stuff like this specifically to stir up shit, but not this one. I think it was opportunity trail bait.
and honestly what i’d probably find is the troll accounts’ activity, and also myself when i can’t sleep probably who knows what i get up to when i’m four days into an insomnia bender.
I think the person who posted this was placing the emphasis more on the comic at the bottom which calls out the unnecessary shittiness of the original tweet.
That’s not exactly ragebait, that’s more “someone said something shitty and this is why it’s shitty.”
It has a utility. Calling out shittiness is an important antidote against that type of shittiness. It’s like it builds people’s psychological antibodies, so when they encounter it in the wild they know not to take it seriously. They know they aren’t the only one’s who see through it.
I appreciate you following the rules but tbh ragebait should be on of them. Lemmy is getting flooded with it lately. So many old, stupid social Twitter posts that do nothing but rile people up
This has 300+ upvotes right now though. I ethically agree with you, but I took over this community. If the community upvotes this sort of thing, I don’t feel like I have the right to remove it because I think it’s stupid and causes harm. I really want to, ha ha.
I know the opinion of one anonymous user doesn’t carry a lot of weight but this would be my counterargument:
Upvotes are not a good gauge when people will upvoted anything that reinforces their beliefs. Even if it’s straight up wrong like so many social media screenshots are.
Not all engagement is good engagement and more activity doesn’t necessarily lead to a better community. Lemmy has been flooded with ragebait and say-nothing tweets lately and I fear it’s becoming the norm
In my experience, if I took this down, the trolls will come out and attack so hard that any other kinds of posts get drowned out. Also, this is being upvoted outside of what I think the trolls can manage in briggading for the fediverse. This would be no problem for reddit, but I haven’t seen it here.
I think you’re erring on the right side here, but boy do I hate using popularity as the reason. This is lemmy, so most folks are browsing by the all tab. Do you want to have a community shaped by ‘all’ or do you want the community to be shaped by people subscribed to the community (and following ‘the rules’ that are set in the community)? It’s sort of the flip side of the coin of the women’s space community that always whines when people come in to a post they see and comment/vote.
Yeah, but Incels also startet as Trolls and now they’ve developed into a real movement. Just like flatearthers and so many other conspiracy theories.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t engage with this type of content, I mean I’ve engaged in communities and posts about birds not being real and that might as well turn into real conspiracy theory just like flat earth.
But they do have real consequences and people might start to truly believe these things. Many people won’t realise it’s a bait, including women.
That’s because it’s troll bait. Just like all generations have a bigger than wanted set of shitty people. I don’t feel like I can take this shit down because it’s not breaking any rules. You all can help by not falling for the bait though.
Definitely this. It circulates widely because it generates outrage, even though the number of people who actually believe this is miniscule. This is the same technique right-wing media uses
It might even be the same people. I suspect that, but don’t have any proof.
Russia has repeatedly and explicitly said they are playing both sides of the US/Western political divide against each other in online rate campaigns.
rage* 🙇🏼♂️
It was shown to be the case in the muller reports I think. Its only rational to assume its ramped up a lot more since then especially given how effective its been.
how important is proof and what would you do with it?
I have no idea how anyone could prove it. But if I could, I would remove these types of posts as spam.
i mean i might be able to dig through logs and find similarities between times, vpns, etc. we’re talking forensic bullshit but i’d need instance level cooperation and it’s work work, so i’d need money. it honestly doesn’t sound worth it on either of our ends since my rates aren’t really what you’d be looking to pay. i used to be an accountant in a former life, before my disability got too bad, and did a few forensic gigs a year.
As I said in another comment, I don’t think OP meant it as troll bait. He probably thought it was funny and the trolls go off on it. They’ll make up opportunities if they can’t seize them. I do think they post stuff like this specifically to stir up shit, but not this one. I think it was opportunity trail bait.
and honestly what i’d probably find is the troll accounts’ activity, and also myself when i can’t sleep probably who knows what i get up to when i’m four days into an insomnia bender.
Agitprop, yep. One of the oldest tricks in the book, and we still need to remind people. 😶
I think the person who posted this was placing the emphasis more on the comic at the bottom which calls out the unnecessary shittiness of the original tweet.
That’s not exactly ragebait, that’s more “someone said something shitty and this is why it’s shitty.”
It has a utility. Calling out shittiness is an important antidote against that type of shittiness. It’s like it builds people’s psychological antibodies, so when they encounter it in the wild they know not to take it seriously. They know they aren’t the only one’s who see through it.
I appreciate you following the rules but tbh ragebait should be on of them. Lemmy is getting flooded with it lately. So many old, stupid social Twitter posts that do nothing but rile people up
This has 300+ upvotes right now though. I ethically agree with you, but I took over this community. If the community upvotes this sort of thing, I don’t feel like I have the right to remove it because I think it’s stupid and causes harm. I really want to, ha ha.
I know the opinion of one anonymous user doesn’t carry a lot of weight but this would be my counterargument:
Upvotes are not a good gauge when people will upvoted anything that reinforces their beliefs. Even if it’s straight up wrong like so many social media screenshots are.
Not all engagement is good engagement and more activity doesn’t necessarily lead to a better community. Lemmy has been flooded with ragebait and say-nothing tweets lately and I fear it’s becoming the norm
In my experience, if I took this down, the trolls will come out and attack so hard that any other kinds of posts get drowned out. Also, this is being upvoted outside of what I think the trolls can manage in briggading for the fediverse. This would be no problem for reddit, but I haven’t seen it here.
I don’t necessarily think you should remove this one but I’m all for a rule update in general
What would that rule look like? No troll baiting maybe, but that would leave it up to me. I’m not sure this community is ready for the blowback.
I think you’re erring on the right side here, but boy do I hate using popularity as the reason. This is lemmy, so most folks are browsing by the all tab. Do you want to have a community shaped by ‘all’ or do you want the community to be shaped by people subscribed to the community (and following ‘the rules’ that are set in the community)? It’s sort of the flip side of the coin of the women’s space community that always whines when people come in to a post they see and comment/vote.
Yeah, but Incels also startet as Trolls and now they’ve developed into a real movement. Just like flatearthers and so many other conspiracy theories.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t engage with this type of content, I mean I’ve engaged in communities and posts about birds not being real and that might as well turn into real conspiracy theory just like flat earth.
But they do have real consequences and people might start to truly believe these things. Many people won’t realise it’s a bait, including women.