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I don’t know, but we need to make a distinction between their users which are generally really cool, and the leadership which is a bunch of boot lickers to Russia and China.
I mean, not all users on Lemmy.ml are horrible people, but conversely after discounting hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, the most batshit insane comments left that I would see inevitably came from Lemmy.ml.
I do not regret blocking the entire instance. Maybe some innocent people get excluded that way, but that’s a price I am absolutely willing to pay to avoid the insanity. And it’s not like the opinions about ML are not widely known - someone who remains on that instance despite all that goes on there surely knows that being blocked is likely a possibility, so I don’t let their recalcitrance get in the way of me enjoying my time on the Threadiverse.
I hear you, and if I was a blocker, I would block them as well. They deserve to be blocked.
Although you might be surprised as to the insights of some of their users. You never know.
The same can be said of discourse with MAGA supporters, and sometimes I have been yes (both ML leftists online and irl MAGA). Though for every time that has happened, I see 1000 comments from the likes of e.g. Cowbee who is disingenuous, and just random commentors across the entire Threadiverse, making that instance overall not worth my time.
Also, I don’t even need an account to read comments from everyone, and viewing any post from its original host generally allows me to see the full complement of comments, but it is an exceedingly rare event (perhaps once a year) that I feel that I have missed out on something by not seeing comments from ML users regularly.
The noise to signal ratio is simply too high for my tastes. And since seeing such scares off people from joining the Threadiverse, which affects us all overall, it’s an actual effectual matter.
You are correct though, if we did not block ML and especially hex bear, It scares off new people.
I’m against censorship but they have to be censored to grow the fetaverse on our side.
And frankly they are the enemy even if they do not know it.
They are the long palsied arm of Russian and Chinese intelligence. Communists are now fascists. That’s what happened.
PieFed.zip takes an interesting approach to hexbear and lemmygrad.ml. They do not defederate from either of them, but a new user has those two instances blocked by default, with a message sent to them about how to un-do the block or later to reinstate it if they want. This makes seeing that content an opt-in feature, rather than forcing the only options affecting new users to be defederation vs. full membership. I love this idea - it doesn’t stop people who legitimately want it (that responsibility to decide is on them), but neither does it force users into being exposed unwittingly, as if that content was somehow the same as all others. PieFed’s motto of placing power into the hands of end-users is the only thing giving me hope for the Threadiverse right now.
That said, almost nobody defederates from lemmy.ml, or places such blocks afaik, which exposed new users to being bullied by the exact same people as are on hexbear and lemmygrad who hide behind their ML alts - since obviously to those incels, no does not mean no but instead that they simply need to push forward harder.
I doubt this problem will be solvable anytime soon, but if there is any hope for such, I’m placing those hopes into PieFed.
While definitely more exaggerated in the leadership, it’s definitely the users too. Not every .ml is a trumper, but a huge portion of the trumpers I’ve run into here are .ml …I’m guessing the divide is in large part due to the process of picking your first instance - a lot of us just threw a dart at a map of the fediverse and settled where it landed, cuz getting started here when all you’ve messed with previously are sites like Reddit is a major pain in the ass. So, some of them are sincerely decent, they just wandered into a bad neighborhood.
There is a base that is really not more insane than any other base necessarily.
I bet half if not more of this group believes that if we only believed in Kamala harder she would have won , it’s not the fault of the democratic party and Kamala harris, it’s the fault of the voters for not believing her enough.
Truth be it was a lost cause from the minute they anointed her, which I called by the way.
Which is all to say otherwise good people can be quite mistaken, and the majority of the users of that ml are cool from what I have experienced.
She was gaining steam. Idk if enough to actually win without any other hitches, but there were hitches, so who fuckin knows. I was hopeful up until that interview where they asked her about Isreal’s genocide on Gaza, and he response was something to the effect of “we’ll do everything in our power to uphold the security of Isreal” aka US bombs will continue to fall on Gaza.
Even that was still better than Trump, but she lost an insane amount of single issue voters with one breath; meanwhile the Trumpers were cheering for genocide from day 1, so when the blue team gets to choose between more vs less genocide which understandably burns them out; and the red team gets to choose more vs less genocide and can’t push through the corpses of brown children fast enough to hit that ‘more’ button… yeah, we were fucked from that moment on.
…not to say the anointment was a good move. The DNC fucked us again.
Point being that fault doesn’t fall on any one group. Would-be blue voters fucked us by not showing up, the DNC fucked us by propping up a walking corpse through an entire presidency, Harris fucked us by overtly supporting genocide, red voters fucked us for choosing the greater evil, and Trump fucked us like one of his 14 year olds on Epstein’s island by being the serial worst-case-scenario every fucking time.
Collectively, the US failed about as miserably as it possibly could from every single angle.