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“Imperialist EU”… Do they no longer understand the meaning of words?
France invaded Libya because they dared to kick out French Companies. They have threatened to invade Burkino Faso for doing the same. EU countries currently have more than two dozen colonial states under their thumb. The EU, and its constituent countries, are the reason Imperialism is around in the modern world. They cannot exist without the rape of the global south. If they were to give up their colonies, the EU would die overnight as the entire EU is in an incredibly large import deficit.
France invaded Libya because they dared to kick out French Companies
Hmm? When? Do you mean Opération Harmattan?
Also: what does that have to do with the subject? The EU doesn’t work like the US, there’s not singular body determining where a military operation will happen.
That’s why I said calling EU “imperialist” stems from ignorance about the EU.
Everything you’re talking about has literally nothing to do with the EU. Moreover: the EU has zero mechanisms to enforce “anti-imperialism” on France, Denmark, or any other country.
It’s a bit like if you said “the UN is imperialist because the USA attacked Iran”. Just makes no sense.
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The AIDS of Lemmy.
Jill Stein is a sellout traitor too.
Fuck tankies and their delusions.
a sellout traitor
What on earth do you think a distant fourth place contender sold, exactly? What do you think she got in exchange, even?
There is exactly one person who was a close friend of Donald Trump, who convinced him to run in the primary, who supported him financially and encouraged suffocating media coverage, and who ultimately propelled him into the general election.
So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.
“The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.
“Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
• Ted Cruz
• Donald Trump
• Ben Carson
We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."
This is the woman all you liberal dipshots were ride-or-die for ten years ago. She single-handled elevated her CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND, Donald Trump, to the GOP nomination and then to the Presidency.
What does this have to do with the traitorous Jill Stein?
A scapegoat is an innocent individual or group unfairly blamed for the mistakes, failures, or wrongdoings of others. People or institutions use scapegoating to deflect responsibility, manage public anger, or protect those actually at fault.
I’m sorry. Are we living in the dimension where someone can’t hate Clinton AND Stein? Or just hate Stein without hating Clinton?
Stein is a dumbfuck that magically appears right before an election, has absolutely no chance of winning, siphons votes, then magically disappears again after the election. She has no purpose other than to siphon votes. You think she’s just doing that for funsies?
She’s fucking scum.
If you think someone else is scum…neat. Thanks for sharing. Literally no one brought up Hillary Clinton. She’s just on your brain. Some would call it Hillary Derangement Syndrome.
She’s fucking scum.
I’m still waiting to hear what, exactly, Stein did other than sit at a table with Putin and Michael Flynn (an Obama Era general who never gets mentioned when this photo is discussed) in 2015.
She wasn’t QAnon. She didn’t raise any appreciable amount of money that year. She failed to mobilize anything close to Nader’s following in 2000.
Literally what did she do?
If you think someone else is scum…
I think Hilary Clinton actively promoted one of her NYCeha-donor friends to hijack the GOP primary.
That’s not “scum”. That’s “spending millions of dollars and thousands of man hours to shape the results of the election”.
You seem to hate Stein because she exists.
This has literally nothing to do with the traitorous Jill Stein.
Ironically, ML’s global rule 1 references its code of conduct, which says
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
This is how all “free speech” absolutists behave.
Their idea of compromise is when the other side does what they say.
Respect is not a virtue for extremists / zeolotes.
That‘s hilarious. The admins‘ version of respect is to delete the comment they disagree with and leave a smug reply.
It’s called hypocrisy
Stuntobor: “It’s not hypocrisy if I do it, that’s different.”
It’s hyperbolic but they do that all the time for their own team. Got my comment deleted when I called out that lady who is saying we need to put “rich zionists” into concentration camps. The reason they gave: zionism
Still not sure if the tankies actually believe their own nonsense, or if it’s some 4chan-esque facade that Trumpers get a kick out of posting under some insufferable ‘blue MAGA’ persona.
I mean, they’re Trumpers either way, but do they actually realize that?
probably drank the same koolaid as magats would. they even use the same PC buzzwords.
I’d say the split is around 50/50.
Some truly believe this crap, and the rest are LARPing MAGAts
Tankies are tribal loyalists whose chosen ingroup is leftists and alleged leftists. They do not understand the latter distinction. Like all conservatives, their stated ideals are ad-hoc justifications. Claims cannot contradict, in this worldview, because claims are not evaluated; they are only a card-shuffling word game to establish superiority.
They think that’s all you’re doing. They think that’s all there is.
I don’t know, but we need to make a distinction between their users which are generally really cool, and the leadership which is a bunch of boot lickers to Russia and China.
I mean, not all users on Lemmy.ml are horrible people, but conversely after discounting hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml, the most batshit insane comments left that I would see inevitably came from Lemmy.ml.
I do not regret blocking the entire instance. Maybe some innocent people get excluded that way, but that’s a price I am absolutely willing to pay to avoid the insanity. And it’s not like the opinions about ML are not widely known - someone who remains on that instance despite all that goes on there surely knows that being blocked is likely a possibility, so I don’t let their recalcitrance get in the way of me enjoying my time on the Threadiverse.
I hear you, and if I was a blocker, I would block them as well. They deserve to be blocked.
Although you might be surprised as to the insights of some of their users. You never know.
The same can be said of discourse with MAGA supporters, and sometimes I have been yes (both ML leftists online and irl MAGA). Though for every time that has happened, I see 1000 comments from the likes of e.g. Cowbee who is disingenuous, and just random commentors across the entire Threadiverse, making that instance overall not worth my time.
Also, I don’t even need an account to read comments from everyone, and viewing any post from its original host generally allows me to see the full complement of comments, but it is an exceedingly rare event (perhaps once a year) that I feel that I have missed out on something by not seeing comments from ML users regularly.
The noise to signal ratio is simply too high for my tastes. And since seeing such scares off people from joining the Threadiverse, which affects us all overall, it’s an actual effectual matter.
You are correct though, if we did not block ML and especially hex bear, It scares off new people.
I’m against censorship but they have to be censored to grow the fetaverse on our side.
And frankly they are the enemy even if they do not know it.
They are the long palsied arm of Russian and Chinese intelligence. Communists are now fascists. That’s what happened.
PieFed.zip takes an interesting approach to hexbear and lemmygrad.ml. They do not defederate from either of them, but a new user has those two instances blocked by default, with a message sent to them about how to un-do the block or later to reinstate it if they want. This makes seeing that content an opt-in feature, rather than forcing the only options affecting new users to be defederation vs. full membership. I love this idea - it doesn’t stop people who legitimately want it (that responsibility to decide is on them), but neither does it force users into being exposed unwittingly, as if that content was somehow the same as all others. PieFed’s motto of placing power into the hands of end-users is the only thing giving me hope for the Threadiverse right now.
That said, almost nobody defederates from lemmy.ml, or places such blocks afaik, which exposed new users to being bullied by the exact same people as are on hexbear and lemmygrad who hide behind their ML alts - since obviously to those incels, no does not mean no but instead that they simply need to push forward harder.
I doubt this problem will be solvable anytime soon, but if there is any hope for such, I’m placing those hopes into PieFed.
While definitely more exaggerated in the leadership, it’s definitely the users too. Not every .ml is a trumper, but a huge portion of the trumpers I’ve run into here are .ml …I’m guessing the divide is in large part due to the process of picking your first instance - a lot of us just threw a dart at a map of the fediverse and settled where it landed, cuz getting started here when all you’ve messed with previously are sites like Reddit is a major pain in the ass. So, some of them are sincerely decent, they just wandered into a bad neighborhood.
There is a base that is really not more insane than any other base necessarily.
I bet half if not more of this group believes that if we only believed in Kamala harder she would have won , it’s not the fault of the democratic party and Kamala harris, it’s the fault of the voters for not believing her enough.
Truth be it was a lost cause from the minute they anointed her, which I called by the way.
Which is all to say otherwise good people can be quite mistaken, and the majority of the users of that ml are cool from what I have experienced.
from the minute they anointed her
She was gaining steam. Idk if enough to actually win without any other hitches, but there were hitches, so who fuckin knows. I was hopeful up until that interview where they asked her about Isreal’s genocide on Gaza, and he response was something to the effect of “we’ll do everything in our power to uphold the security of Isreal” aka US bombs will continue to fall on Gaza.
Even that was still better than Trump, but she lost an insane amount of single issue voters with one breath; meanwhile the Trumpers were cheering for genocide from day 1, so when the blue team gets to choose between more vs less genocide which understandably burns them out; and the red team gets to choose more vs less genocide and can’t push through the corpses of brown children fast enough to hit that ‘more’ button… yeah, we were fucked from that moment on.
…not to say the anointment was a good move. The DNC fucked us again.
Point being that fault doesn’t fall on any one group. Would-be blue voters fucked us by not showing up, the DNC fucked us by propping up a walking corpse through an entire presidency, Harris fucked us by overtly supporting genocide, red voters fucked us for choosing the greater evil, and Trump fucked us like one of his 14 year olds on Epstein’s island by being the serial worst-case-scenario every fucking time.
Collectively, the US failed about as miserably as it possibly could from every single angle.
That’s why I blocked lemmy.ml a long time ago.
Yeah and nothing of worth was lost by doing it. I highly recommend everyone do so.
Except that no new user is told this upon signing up to any current instances that I am aware of, and especially someone browsing anonymously without an account will not be aware.
This is why we are a Tankie bar - we platform them, thus people conflate us together as if we ARE them, and nope right out and never come back.
Perhaps to be “fair and balanced”, we should let in the Maga base actual Nazis a seat at the table too?
I went a step further and stopped using their software (lemmy/jerboa). #piefedgang
Side note, not sure if lemmy does this yet, but piefed merges comments from crossposts so you can view it all on the same page. super convenient.
Someone who isn’t me had to abandon their first account because of Hex bear and dot ml. They will troll the shit out of you Across Lemmy Outside of their instances.
I’ve blocked lemmy.world for me (it’s been a saving a huge amount my screen space from that degen meme world)
worlds isnt a problem, unless its the politics community. i had to block it, because they are using the same 'anti-semetism" shtick that ISRAEl uses to call everyone that doesnt align with them.
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
Okay well maybe half a dozen.
Well I have to admit, it is somewhat demeaning to Russians.
It’s a running joke in American politics for Democrats to shit the bed in a dozen winnable states, then spend the next four years insisting “The tiny fringe third party candidate stabbed us in the back!” This, while cozying up to the most toxic reactionaries the US has to offer.
You can do a national tour with Liz Cheney and Jeff Flake for the last three months of your campaign. You can spend half a billion dollars on that weird Las Vegas globe thing, running annoying ads that only other DC consultants pay attention to. You can mirror Republican policy on issues Americans absolutely hate. And you can bend over backwards for the most horrid stew of reactionary oligarchs.
But it’s still always those damned foreigners, those stupid independent voters, and the insidious Internet Leftists who are to blame when you lose.
Cowbee has some pretty bad takes
That’s their only takes.
Can we still call him a fat pedophile?
Idiot Junior tweeted his own e-mails arranging Russian kompromat in exchange for sanctions relief.
Two of The Idiot’s campaign managers were convicted as foreign agents. Two.
He immediately fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia. The next day, Russian officials secretly met him in the oval office, and the only reason we know about it is Russian photographers posting photos of them laughing it up.
But a connection? Nahhh, that’s schizophrenic fantasy.
well thats alarming.
Soon this will be re🅱️🅱️it 2.0.
Except Reddit grants far more rights to individual users who are not instance admins than Lemmy does.
Reddit offers: notifications for when your content gets removed, modmail to ask questions why, Reddit admin appeal if that fails, the ability to continue commenting for months on content after it gets removed from the community feed (accessible to anyone at all with the URL, even if they were not part of the OG conversation), etc. PieFed has some of this too btw.
Whereas Lemmy is even more authoritarian minded than Reddit is! Again, not to instance owners, but to individual users. We even have our own fully automated moderation bots (e.g. look up santabot).
Lemmy.ml in particular already is leftist Reddit 2.0. Except without “advanced features” like polls, user and post flairs, multi-communities, and so on (PieFed has all of these btw).
Always has been meme.
It’s less of an orangeboi-supportive statement, and more of a “I don’t like it when you neg on Russia >:(“ statement. But it’s no less of an idiotic position for that.
I got banned from a lemmygrad community the other day. The mod called me a fascist pig because I support Ukrainians defending themselves from Russian invaders.
They’re weirdly unwilling to tolerate criticism of Russia or China. The whole thing is a bubble community that cracks down on wrongthink. The irony.
Same but on Hexbear.
I love how you can simply leave the evil imperialist EU when you like to. Just send a notice. Try that with glorious, heroic and just Russia.
You’d think it takes one to know one. How could someone that plays the role so well, not recognize one that’s not even hiding it?
