Kids these days don’t even know about the hole in the ozone later.
I just told my kid about how we fixed acid rain through regulation just this morning
Well it’s understandable, the concept of being able to actually cooperate and do something about the environment on a world scale instead of just blindly pretending it’s not a thing until it kills us all is a bit hard to believe for younger generations for obvious reasons.
I don’t understand, why would it sound implausible? Isn’t that what governments are FOR?
Not when all governments have been captured by oil tycoons it isn’t.
Oh. But they were good for this before that, right?
The banning of CFCs due to their environmental impacts, retooling the aerosol and refrigerant industries, is what it looks like when we have a functioning world society.
There are adults now who were born after that and don’t remember a time when we could behave that way, so they have every right to be cynical.
The refrigerant industry. Oh boy.
It’s what governments are supposed to be for.
Oh. Just oil?
But government BAD! Taxes BAD!
I know, the government is bad, so if we put a bad man in charge it’ll be a double negative and become good, right?
You ADD a bad person to the government, you don’t MULTIPLY.
But what do I know about maths?! Somehow the bad effects end up growing exponentially, and I can’t explain that.
From an accelerationist standpoint, yes. /s
We managed to dial things back a bit, so that became a smaller problem.
We used to see regular news reports of actual rivers on fire. Things are still way too bad, but we forcefully throttled some things as we saw how quickly the damage was compounding.
Women’s hair doesn’t defy gravity without lots of help.
Oh my god I needed your comment for it to finally click, I was thinking “they stopped putting their hair up to protect their shoulders from the increased UVs”? But of course, it was referencing the sprays!
And there was that whole thing about trying to make cars burn a little cleaner so you could actually see from 1 side of a major city to another
ozone later
Well that’s because we’re at now, not at later.
We’ve had one ozone yes, but what about later ozone?
nozone
Frozone
Calzone
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Bowling
[gets hit on head by aerosol can.]
Trump wants to bring it back.
Well not to worry, all these internet swarm satellites might cause another one.
how so?
Video overview: https://youtu.be/oKK0dgDIxKY
There’s many studies, so here’s two:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2024GL109280
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2025EF007229
Article: https://www.sciencefocus.com/space/how-elon-musks-dying-satellites-could-hurt-the-ozone-layer
tl;dr: the massively increased rate of rocket launches and re-entry satellite burn-ups is creating a significant amount of pollution that is probably damaging the Ozone layer.
Fucks saaaake.
The aluminium nanoparticles these satelites shed when they burn up in re-entry during their disposal, are also toxic.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17435390.2025.2511694
Fucks saaaake.
Oh don’t worry, it’s coming back
Most don’t know that we have an ozone layer let alone that there is a hole in it.
One of my coworkers insists that the hole in the ozone layer is an iris that expands and contracts for regulation. When I asked him what it was regulating, he just shrugged and gave a look that said “I don’t know, you tell me”
He also claimed that believing that humans were capable of changing the global climate was pure hubris, despite the USSR deleting the Caspian sea decades ago.
And he thinks the wind turbines that have been installed in the past 10 years are making tornadoes worse, contradicting his claims that humans can’t change the climate
I think your coworker may be a lost cause, do you think you could convince him that anti-freeze and turpentine will make him see god?
Engineering a death by misadventure doesn’t seem ethical to me
Just wait for the people he follows on the internet to tell him
in a situation in which harm increase over time, like the rise of far right, anti-science, environmental damage, etc… perhaps that “wait” is a less ethical solution than to solve the problem
now, perhaps causing harm isn’t the way to go, but… the lesser of 2 evils may still be somewhat problematic
“For regulation” is a pretty weird take, but it is self regulating (in the absence of pollution from humans). When the ozone layer is thin, more UV gets through from the sun. UV from the sun ionizes O2 and splits it apart, creating oxygen free radicals which recombine and create ozone. Thus, less ozone leads to more ozone, hence self-regulation.
in australia they absolutely do
we take skin cancer very seriously down here
Cancer is probably the least dangerous living thing in Australia.
Cancer is living? I gotta get outta here
Hate to break it to you, but yes, cancer is living. That’s like, its whole thing. It’s living cells that grow uncontrollably.
Wait till you hear about the guy who caught tapeworm cancer from his cancerous tapeworms
I thought the aerosols that affect the environment refer to the tiny aerosol particles at higher levels in the atmosphere.
Everyone in the 80s seemed to confuse the with aerosol hairspray, which wasn’t really a huge contributor. Still aren’t most sprays today generally not this so called aerosol style anymore?
It was the Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) that were used as the primary propellant in aerosol sprays. More commonly known by the brand name Freon. Notice that basically every aerosol can manufactured today has a “CFC Free” badge somewhere. Refrigerant systems also moved away from using actual Freon, and now use alternative refrigerants.
CFCs were actually invented by the same guy who invented leaded gasoline, Thomas Midgley Jr… He is probably the single most environmentally destructive chemical engineer in history.
On the plus side, one of his inventions killed Thomas Midgley Jr., arguably the most environmentally destructive chemical engineer in history
Name me another chemical engineer that could be argued did more harm. I don’t think all of Monsanto with agent orange and Roundup has done more than the TEL and CFC fuckup.
Where’s he buried? How long is the line to piss on his headstone?
Fritz Haber invented nitrogrn fixing fertilizers and is responsible for the massive baby boom across the globe after ww2 because so much more food could now be grown.
Except now there are 8b+ people on an increasingly warming and polluted planet and these fertilizers (alongside modern farming techniques and climate collapse, both of which came about because of this baby boom…) have all but destroyed the planets’ arable land.
Why were “CFC propellants” even helpful to the manufacturer? Can’t you just use compressed air in spray bottles to make them spray?
Late 80s hairsprays and other canned aerosols were a sizeable contributor.
They were an easy fix, and stopped being a problem almost as soon as people decided to do something. That was way before the problem reached mainstream media, so when people started talking about it, they weren’t a problem anymore. But they surely were a problem for some time.
Young people have no idea what it used to smell like. For a decade everything reeked of smoke and hairspray.
You could taste it in the air
Galadriel: Feel it in the water
I feel it in my fingers
This is so real. Like everyone had a broom on their heads. It was full on capybara hair.
I feel it in my toes.
🎶I feel it in my toes…
(I got you!)
Christmas is around us,
Come on and let it snow.
I don’t care what people say, that movie is a banger.
Everywhere you went felt like a bowling alley.
Everything you touched had a thin sticky layer of cigarette smoke gunk on it. Hell I remember doctors casually smoking in examination rooms.
now that you mention it, cheese burgers taste different than they used to because of this most likely.
They changed the oils they cooked with from tallow to whichever vegetable oil is cheapest. Those newer oils burn at cooking temperature and add a flavour to the fried meat
That happened in the late '80s when the lies about saturated fat became popular
Which lies are you talking about?
It was awesome.
I do remember people complaining that the new hairspray didn’t have any hold.
I also remember punks resorting to egg whites and Elmer’s, but I can’t say that I know that’s related.
I also remember punks resorting to egg whites and Elmer’s
Punks actually just did that anyway, even back when the good hairspray was still plentiful. Everyone just had their own “best” method that they swore by: egg whites, school glue, Knox gelatin, I even knew a couple of gutter punks who put their mohawks up with spray paint. I used to use an extra thick hair gel that you could only find in places where they sold hair care products for black people. I think most people probably preferred the hairdryer and AquaNet method though. It was cheap, relatively easy, and it worked.
My secret was simple: hairblower with the cheapest maximum hold spray.
I would start at the base of my scalp and spray some hairspray and then with a comb, raise a spot of hair at a time while blowing hot hair on that spot.
In less than 5 mins, my mohawk was ready and strong.
When I wanted to go the extra mile, I would then cover the mohawk in hair gel and blow dry it just like I did with hairspray. My mohawk would stay straight for a few days and it was quite easy to wash. Good times
I’m alternate reality croquette and I endorse this method.
Only I didn’t use a comb.
I have curly hairs, so the comb helped keep the hair straight, and kept my hand from sticking
I dont even really remember women actually wearing their hair like this, and I’m old as fuck.
yeah these look like 1+ hour styles that most people are only going to bother with for special occasions, unless they’re an actor with a staff stylist and/or filthy rich
When I think ozone destroying hair, I think teased 80s hair that A LOT of people wore
Old enough to remember when women had loads of free time because washing machines and electric vacuums had been invented but they weren’t allowed to work after they were married?
No wonder you don’t remember. This is Brigitte Bardot mid 1960’s maybe. You should be about 80 yo to remember lol.
It only happened on rare occasions like fancy events. We weren’t there. But some photos still exist.
As a white man from this era I always preferred the pixie.
Ah, I see you’re a man of culture.
I remember the beehive hairdos. True monuments to structural engineering that would make any architect spiral into a pit of inadequacy.
I just think they’re neat.
How old are you? Cause this is Brigitte Bardot in her thirties at most. We’re talking about 1960’s.
For a good while now I just felt old. But not today. Today I feel fucking old.
Two weeks ago I had an MRI to see if I need knee surgery. Tomorrow I get to talk to Ortho about my impending knee surgery-- A lateral tear of the meniscus in the cleft with some degeneration of the joint. I’m sick of walking with a cane and wearing a knee brace.
Saturday I drove 360 some miles to get an MRI to see if I have prostate cancer. No results yet, but I have my suspicions based on my PSAs. The question is: Is it the slow cancer or the fast cancer?
Thursday I need to drive another 100 miles to talk to another doctor about what is now a very minor issue.
So yeah, I’m mother fucking old today…
***Oh, and yes I remember Bardot vividly from my youth. And a host of others you may or not remember. From Marilyn Monroe to Jane Russel to Maureen O’Hara.
Like most people would change anything about their lifestyle for the common good… It just went out of style.
No, it became illegal to manufacture the necessary products.
I am old enough to remember it going out of style.
I just shook my head when I saw this post, scrolled down to find a comment which reflected the truth, and farted
Sadly, you can’t get the proper hold without CFCs…
Is that so? How does the propellant matter?
It doesn’t. As long as it’s non-reactive, it only matters for the people designing the spay can.
I think the GP was sarcastic.
Work amount.
This. I’m a hairdresser and people just do not have the time it takes to create or sit for these elaborate hairstyles any longer. Also, hygiene habits have changed. Most people shower, not bathe, and women would keep these hairstyles for one to two weeks before washing them out and redoing. Most women won’t go one day without washing their hair now.
If only we could get industrial manufacturing and energy production regulated to evolve in the same way that personal care is.
Nowadays when women want those hairstyles they just wear wigs. So much easier.
I have family members who work in costume design for TV and film. So many people wear wigs. Men, women, animals.
Animals wear wigs?
But non-aerosol gel exists for the same purpose. Why don’t they use that?
You can still buy aerosol hair sprays too they just don’t use CFCs
Most use propane as a propellant now.
You can also use aerosol based ones, the propellant just has to be non crazy.
