• Azrael@reddthat.com
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    7 hours ago

    Actually I believe it’s called “Football” because most ball games were originally played on horseback.

    Football (Soccer) was one of the first ball games to be played on foot, hence Foot-ball

    That’s why Rugby, Canadian Football, Australian Football, and American Football are also types of “Football”.

    Also, the name “Soccer” was literally invented in England. It’s short for “Association Football” (Association - Assoc - Soccer) so shut the f*** up

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      6 hours ago

      Actually I believe it’s called “Football” because most ball games were originally played on horseback.

      hmmm are you sure about that? I do not know with certainty but today playing a sport with a horse would be a high demand, back in the days it would have been an even bigger one so I sincerely doubt “most ball games” were originally played on horseback when not having a horse was that much easier

      That’s like saying “we call them Earthmobiles because back then, most vehicles were just planes” (no way planes were common before cars)

      You are sort of right regarding the origin of soccer, but it was intended to distinguish football played by the association rules vs other types of football which were popular at the time.

      From Wikipedia:

      Association football is part of a family of football codes that emerged from various ball games played worldwide since antiquity. The word “association” in this term refers to the Football Association (the FA), founded in London in 1863, which published the first set of rules for the sport that same year.[8] The term was coined to distinguish the type of football played in accordance with the FA rules from other types that were gaining popularity at the time, particularly rugby football.[9] Heading from The Sportsman front page of 25 November 1910, illustrating the continued use of the word “football” to encompass both rugby and association football.

      The term soccer comes from Oxford “-er” slang, which was prevalent at the University of Oxford in England from about 1875, and is thought to have been borrowed from the slang of Rugby School. Initially spelt assoccer (a shortening of “association”), it was later reduced to the modern spelling.[10][11] Early alternative spellings included socca and socker.[9] This form of slang also gave rise to rugger for rugby football, fiver and tenner for five pound and ten pound notes, and the now-archaic footer that was also a name for association football.[12]

      Within the English-speaking world, association football is now usually called simply “football” in Great Britain and most of Ulster in the north of Ireland,[13] whereas people usually call it “soccer” in regions and countries where other codes of football are prevalent, such as Australia,[14] Canada, South Africa, most of Ireland (excluding Ulster),[15] and the United States. A notable exception is New Zealand, where in the first two decades of the 21st century, under the influence of international television, “football” has been gaining prevalence, despite the dominance of other codes of football, namely rugby union and rugby league.[16]

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        23 minutes ago

        Umm… ever heard of Polo? Buzkashi? Chovgan? Pato? All of those are ball games played on horseback (except Buzkashi which is played on horseback but uses a a goat carcass instead of a ball)

        Your analogy is also false because cars were invented before planes.

        1885–1886: Benz Patent-Motorwagen becomes the first practical automobile.

        1903: Orville Wright and Wilbur Wright achieve the first powered, controlled airplane flight with the Wright Flyer.

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        Yes it was called football because the peasants played it on their feet while the nobles played polo and other equestrian sports. There’s a huge documented history, several Kings in English history all had a take on the issue. Some thought it was awful because they hated seeing their peasants creating a spectacle and sometimes they got hurt and couldn’t work, but other kings leaned into it and used it to gain favor with the lower classes.

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          According to wikipedia, what you claim is true but also there is documented history of the “foot” part coming up because of the kicking of the ball from really far back

          The truth is we do not seem to know which of the 2 sources truly directed the current name… very likely both contributed

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    Soccer is a British word though, but predominantly southerner / Oxfordian.

    Association Football used to get contracted to Assoc or Soc to differentiate it from Rugby Football.

    And in Oxford, they historically liked to add -er to the end of things; still in parlance today is calling Rugby “rugger”, £5 note “fiver”, the Bodleian Library “Bodder”.

    Assoc became “soccer”.

    It’s not an American thing. It’s a posh southern England thing that got exported to the states by American students at Oxford returning stateside and bringing the game back with them.

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      I watched several documentaries over the years that said it is because at the time Football Clubs were referred to as Social Clubs and the team was just part of the Social Club. The clubs were referred to as “Socs” pronounced like the footwear Socks, and the Teams would play what was referred to a s “Soccer” as in Sock-er. Then this got exported to various people in North America, mostly from the South and West of England. Then it fell out of usage in England but no one told us over here in North America so we kept using the term.

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      So is it “sock-urh” or “soe’sh-ur”? The latter being like “social” but with an -er ending. Because that’s how ‘association’ is pronounced.

  • Luminous5481 "Enemy of the State"@anarchist.nexus
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    if it’s called football, then why did YOU name it soccer? seems kind of silly to blame other people for using the name you insisted everyone use.

    but that’s like imperial measurements, you insisted everyone use them and then changed your mind down the line and now make fun of us for using the Imperial system that Imperial Britian came up with. you have a nasty habit of blaming everyone else for the problems you create.

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      British imperial units and US customary units were actually both codified after American independence! Both British imperial and US customary units are derived from earlier English customary units. We made some agreements to harmonise our two systems over time so that we were at least using the same pound and yard, because we weren’t before, but somehow volume units escaped this

      Ironically we did sort of hamper your early efforts at metrication completely unintentionally; British pirates (privateers, more accurately) captured the French ship that happened to be carrying standards for the metric system across the Atlantic to you

      Either way, Brits definitely shouldn’t make fun of anyone for their system of measurement, because the only thing worse than a non-metric system is using some cursed half-and-half Frankenstein mashup of both metric and non-metric

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    ¿Por qué no los dos? Personally tired of these primarily online binary semantic arguments. Gif, jif, football, soccer, fútbol, pineapple, ananas, eggplant, aubergine. We contain multitudes, celebrate these absolutely arbitrary differences.

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    8 hours ago

    Both the American and rest of the world versions of their respective ball games are played on foot, as opposed to polo that is played riding a horse. The latter was originally invented by Ralph Lauren, as commemorated in ubiquitous t-shirts with a gentlemanly collar.

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      7 hours ago

      It’s almost like arrows point… in a direction. You may find in your life that arrows are indicating toward things that are not directly touching the end.

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      6 hours ago

      I don’t think so… basically that would mean every sport could/should be called “football”…

      • Basketball = played on foot, not horse therefore football

      • Volleyball = played on foot, not horse therefore football

      • Baseball = no horse, football again

      • Hockey = believe it or not, football… maybe skate ball?

      I am kidding of course, it seems nobody really knows and the 2 main theories are the one you mentioned (on foot, not on horse) vs kicking of a ball with your foot (and not your hand)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)#Etymology