xAI buried inside SpaceX wasn’t enough to make them uncomfortable?
It’s worse than that… what they IPO with is basically a tiny percentage of SpaceX composed solely of xAI
The entire stock market is basically 99.9% blind speculation and 0.1% basic math, which is why it rarely makes sense
That’s what I was referencing, I’m surprised the regulators and the exchange let that happen
You are surprised that the people doing this during Occupy Wall Street are allowing this?
there are no rules anymore man… they just change them to rig the game in plain light… no ill consequences for the rich
It’s not even a surprise, this is from SpaceX s-1 document: only 7% of their estimated valuation is from Space related activities
Is “Enterprise Applications” like shooting datacenters into space, or copilot business edition?
I think the “Space-Enabled Solutions” part sounds more like designing satellites than the space-launch business.They bought Cursor for AI. Earlier this year cursor switched to pay per use model, so now every engineer is spending dozens to hundreds of AI Bucks. I don’t think Cursor is profitable on that yet, but I imagine xAI are looking to scale that model, both to turn Grok into something that earns an income, and to scale up to profit despite cost of datacenters/training.
I’m skeptical there is really a profitable market, but it might be the most grounded of his predictions. The technology exists, the business model is successful at a small scale, so they just need to scale
The technology exists, the business model is successful at a small scale, so they just need to scale
could you provide details on that?
You could probably research the company but from my direct experience
- Cursor is one of the stronger contenders for coding - bringing a variety of models to tools where coders are.
- Cursor switched to pay per use, significantly increasing costs and didn’t lose customers
- cursor charged more for higher end models and didn’t lose customers
- grok is not currently there, or at least not what I can see, so is a huge gap from an xAI perspective
- it seems good enough business model to business people to be worth a huge purchase
Once grok is added to Cursor, I will just have it, along with a variety of other models, and can simply choose it based on cost and effectiveness. It may even be chosen for me since I usually leave it in automatic, and my company is a paying customer where each engineer spends a budget
Also it’s more like a subscription. Software companies love a subscription model with regular income, rather than selling something you pay for once
The entire stock market is basically 99.9% blind speculation and 0.1% basic math
The US, England, and Japan are all returning to quantitative easing policy. So we’ve once again got too much money chasing too few investments. What a lot of naive investors see as a market bubble is recognized among the more savvy as a return to our ongoing policy of asset inflation.
A lot of what SpaceX is selling boils down to an access point to public spending - through sale of military hardware and equipment, network access to Starlink, and R&D funds allocated to the private sector. That’s what is really driving investment. It is, in effect, a play on the future of police and military spending.
Still wildly overvalued imho. But not “blind” speculation.
So we’ve once again got too much money chasing too few investments.
maybe it’s time to redistribute that too much money. lets free them from their burden.
Can’t do that. That’s Communism. Communism Killed 10 Trillion People.
The corporate governance arrangements (or lack thereof) should be enough to make any investor with two functioning brain cells stay well clear. But the stock market has lost all touch with reality long ago. The crash will be brutal. And small investors will hold the bag, as per standard procedure.
It’s a fucking meme, for “tech bros”. Apart from anything else how can lose more than most stocks are worth, and still have a share value of more than many, even most, stocks?
One should note that the stock is still up $50 per share up from its IPO price ($135 vs $185 or about 37%). Also the Cursor option was fully outlined before the IPO so it shouldn’t surprise anyone.
Not that I don’t think all of this is dumb, it’s just another hype / gambling stock without much substance led by Elon who got his Twitter buyout.
No crying in the casino
The only people that got in below 160 a share are insiders, space x employees and institutional investments. That’s why they did a day 1 rug pull when the stock reached 180. They made sure no matter what was gonna happen, they weren’t going to be the bag holders.
I got three shares at $158 just to see if I was fast enough. Sold it at ~200 a bit later because I’m too poor to hold the bag.
Initial price was $135. Then it climbed to $210ish. Now $185.
Pretty regular stuff for a new IPO meme stock. Don’t go on the ride if you don’t like the speed.
There is literally nothing but hope behind the valuation. Same as Tesla. Just dreams and hopes.
That’s not true, it’s betting on American corruption…which is a pretty good bet.
Both Tesla and SpaceX has produced a lot of stuff, some of it pretty good. But yeah, their stock price are bit out there.
90% of SpaceXs assets are in AI Datacenters that are running grok, I wouldn’t call that any good stuff, even in terms of AI. Apart from that they grifted a lot of money from the US government to produce rockets that are worse than what NASA could have delivered with the money.
The only “good” thing spaceX made is Starlink, which has about 12 million subscribers and brings in a revenue of 11 billion each year, with about 4 billion in profits. That’s nothing compared to big network companies.
Wow, no. Look at what nasa is producing with Artemis. Business as usual is $2B/launch, way over budget, and years behind schedule. There is no path to launch more than 1-2/year and they depend on reusing old components with very limited supply.
In contrast Falcon 9 cost nasa less than one Artemis launch has an unmatched record of reliability, drastically reduced launch costs, made reusability practical, and has earned its place launching 80% (by mass) of the world’s payload to orbit. Nothing matches its record
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, but you’re right. SpaceX made a lot of advancements on its rockets and in lowering the price per launch.
This is objective. This isn’t sentimental or arguable.
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Stock prices shouldn’t be volatile based on tweets lol
Why not?
(gestures at headline)
because people’s future (and even present) financial safety depends on it. the stock market is used for dead serious things, its not supposed to be a meme market.
Hopes and dreams are a good thing, that we should all have. I want to buy the claims Musk is selling: he seems to be the only one actually selling a future and I want hope and dreams for a better tomorrow. And he has delivered, even if not exactly what he said exactly when he said it.
I understand musk is not an engineer, I understand some of his founder credits might be exaggerated. But his ability to weave an inspired vision, willingness to pay for it, ability to inspire others toward it, does deserve a lot of credit for the growth and success of both Tesla and SpaceX.
Then his dark side came out into the open … and I still want the vision pushed by Tesla and SpaceX
I dont know. To me he is intelligent but he lacks empathy and kindness. He doesn’t care about people. He is that typical type of person that can figure shit out but you don’t want him running humanity, unless you like dystopia.
And yet that was one of the things I used to like - like an engineer he is able to talk in technical details, focus on minutiae, but lacks social skills. Perhaps a nod toward autism. As an engineer, that personality spoke to me.
It’s only after people started worshipping him that he hallucinated having social skills or really any talent outside speaking of technology. That’s one person who should have stayed in his shell.
He was always reputed to be hell to work for also, so it’s not like I ever was tempted toward that
Yeah I think that intelligence combined with autism means he will always work very hard, because he enjoys it. But he lacks self awareness and he doesn’t understand that technology is not what creates a better world. We used to think that before big tech. Now we see how horrible it becomes.
I want to buy the claims Musk is selling: he seems to be the only one actually selling a future and I want hope and dreams for a better tomorrow.
he is selling a future, but not nearly a good one.
when the musk future comes, don’t cry for how the reality ended up, but eat the shit with a smile on your face.
I will happily live in an era of electric vehicles, cheap and easy access to space and all the modern functionality that brings, affordable satellite connectivity. I will happily live in a world where even the biggest trucks can keep up speed while fully loaded
iPhoneuphill, without polluting, without noise. I will happily choose a vehicle whose trip planning optimizes route and duration, automatically planning chargers as needed. I will happily live in a world where my vehicle, thermostat and home power storage can participate in a “virtual power plant” with intelligent time shiftingI hope you’ll also happily live in an era where the powers discriminate against you, and try to eradicate you. the only comforting thought you will have, is there is no going back.
- That’s true of all new vehicles, not specific to EVs
- I’m very interested in the Slate truck, which might be the only exception. I don’t want a pickup but I do want the lack of gadgets and surveillance they promise
- Or if you want to be argumentative, I claim to be the “in” group, the last to be discriminated against (except I’m from a blue state). Y’all can fight the battles
I’m very interested in the Slate truck, which might be the only exception. I don’t want a pickup but I do want the lack of gadgets and surveillance they promise
that is not the future that musk is selling
Yup.
I, like you, am expecting this to be a monumental failure, but this shit’s normal.
Sure would be nice to have some food, affordable housing, and healthcare…
Get out of here, fracking lazy SOCIALIST!! 😡
They keep going around trying to make the world a better place. Awful hateful people.
Right??! Frack them!!
Y’all just need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps
World’s first ex-trillionaire , yes?
Nope. Since everyone bought his shares he got to keep their money
By that logic he’s not a trillionaire at all. They only sold 4% of the company for some 68 billion USD. A trillion dollars was never liquidated.
Edit: 4.3% and 75 billion are the correct numbers.
He gets to borrow against the shares as if he has that trillion in cash.
I wonder what his will looks like. Who gets to keep it all if he ODs on Ketamine.
Yeah sure I also think that he is a trillionare at the moment. I was just trying to show that it’s absurd to say he has the money even if the stock price falls because he’s already liquidated it.
What moron bank would lend against no actual collateral.
Almost all of them. That’s how the Epstein class fund their lifestyles, they borrow against their stocks. This is why the Epstein class always want low interest rates; it is not about mortgages, at least not the kind where someone is homeless because they missed a payment.
It doesn’t make sense but Banks treat current stock price as a liquid asset.
That’s… not how this works.
People give him 170 to 300$ for worthless share. He get to keep this money, now the valuation on the shares he have got up because
peoplehedge fund were fighting for the useless one. Now when the dust settles we will see how Musk will do but in any case he got out with a filthy bunch of moneyMost of his net worth is still in his ownership of his remaining shares. He didn’t sell everything he owned. He has his special shares still.
No, SpaceX’s valuation hasn’t really decreased significantly. Musk is still comfortably a trillionaire.
Down 6%.
The line wiggled a bit.
I think you mean PLUNGED or DECIMATED!
/s
Also I’m sick of these words in titles. As you said it’s barely a ripple overall.
TBi slams sensationalist headlines!
They diluted the stock 3.4% in less than a week of trading 🤣. Invest with Musk at your own risk.
It was already stupidly diluted. Dumbest investment out there with only one way to go.
This is actually Elon Musk’s fault (that felt wrong to say), the company should never have been valued so highly anyway that was stupid. As far as I can tell Musk hasn’t actually done anything.
That drop is more than it’s worth.
I get it. I have a uniquely shaped rock that I found in a ditch. I value that thing at about 530 billion dollars. /s
Does it repel tigers?
Absolutely!!
Then I don’t want it. I want to attract tigers.
You sound like one of them demoncrats 🤨
Only under water
I will buy this rock.
The reflecting pool is now full of underwater tigers tasked with stalking the algae. The price has quadrupled.
I hope every Nazi piece of shit with money in this ends up destitute as fuck.
They’re making an exception to put it into index funds more quickly than is ordinarily allowed, so a lot of normal people might end up holding it too…
That is a great point.
The SP500 refused to allow SpaceX in on an accelerated schedule, so its usually vetting process would still apply (12 months of public trading, positive earnings for a period of time, etc).
So right now, SP500 is one index fund that isn’t taking a risk on SpaceX, which I, in my tiny knowledge of stocks and finance, appreciate.
If you have a pension plan, you will have money in this, too.
Lucky for me, I fall into the ~40% of people too poor to have investments. But even if I did have money to invest, I wouldn’t fling it blindly where it could be going towards harming the planet.
I don’t think you’ve misunderstood what I’m trying to say.
People with an IRA don’t have control of what the fund is invested into. The fund itself is invested into funds that track the top 100. Therefore, anybody with a generic pension plan is invested into SpaceX, whether they like it or not.
No, I understand. I’m saying I give zero shits about those people taking losses. If you have excess, and you’re expecting to be given more because of your excess, you’re just as culpable in Nazi bullshit when your money ends up invested in it. I don’t care if it requires more personal attention, it’s possible to have your money invested where it will do good, not where it will gain you the largest return at the expense of the planet.
Having a pension is excess?!
It is if you’re still a highschool kid who thinks 50$ is a lot of money.
It’s the simplest idea in the world, if a company’s outgoings are more than it’s income then how is it going to generate profit for the shareholders? How did no one think of this?
The stock market doesn’t work like this anymore and hasn’t for several years… maybe decades. Share price is completely decoupled from fundamentals. The way you make money for shareholders is by getting the stock price to go up and what the actual company does or doesn’t do is not particularly a consideration anymore.
I go one step further and say that I personally believe the market itself is rigged, has been rigged since just after 2008. It is fully under control by dark pools, algorithms, HFT and AI. We will never again see an appreciable crash in the market, just things which vaguely resemble “normal” market action as the overall line continues to go ever upward.
The stock market is now fully a money-generating machine for the Epstein class. I have been saying this since about 2014 when I read Flash Boys by Michael Lewis and the Dow was at 18,103, Nasdaq 4,773. Even today with this news, the Dow is up currently 72 at 51,564 and the Nasdaq is up 496 at 26,517.
No more crashes? That’s something you would hear just before the biggest crash in history. Don’t kid yourself. You’re right that the stock market is completely divorced from actual economic activity of the companies listed, though
Every time I say this I get this comment or one like it… since 2014. I invite you to save this thread and come back and make me feel like a complete moron when it happens. Eventually, I think everybody will come around.
Edit: I started to come to these conclusions when I read the book I mention above - it’s more than 10 years old now. I’m not alone in thinking these kinds of things, the book’s author does as well
I happen to have read that book at the time. It doesn’t say no more crashes. Has nothing to do with the overall trend in the stock market, even. “Stock market is rigged” he’s referring to a specific part when you place an order, it happens in milliseconds. That’s something else from valuations being inflated or no more crashes
Yes, that’s all true. I would temper that by saying if you can rig orders with front loading the way the book described ten years ago, the end game is not to make the market less predictable and more chaotic. The people architecting this stuff have now been working at it for over a decade.
The no more crashes thing is my own extrapolation based on my personal experience watching them control the price of stocks that were shorted to oblivion using dark pools and synthetics along with the sudden subsequent rise of crypto-capital. I am aware that this brings me into conspiracy territory, but I’m also aware that nothing that has happened since 2008 has done anything but reinforce the notion in my head.
Time will tell, I don’t mean to imply that no crashes is a given but I strongly suspect the entire market is price controlled using all these tools (AI, HFT, crypto, dark pools, synthetics) - and not just this market, but any market that allows these tools to be used.
These giant IPOs result in the companies being a larger part of index funds, which results in a huge influx of retirement funds and other ‘low risk’ investment funds that hold the index funds.
It’s basically fake it until you make it, once you’re a major part of an index your company’s shares are automatically purchased by these massive funds and that stabilizes the stock’s price at some arbitrary point (minus the insider short selling and other market manipulations).
The idea is that it will eventually be profitable, and investors will make their money back several times over.
Obviously, that does not seem to be the case in reality.
As long as the stock has value n the market, the Epstein class can borrow against their stocks.
This is why they’re always clamoring for lower interest rates. It has nothing to do eith helping people with mortgages and everything to do with the Epstein class abusing the carried interest loophole to maintain their work free lifestyle.
Money isn’t real.
Mine certainly isn’t.
Once again, wealth trickles up to the billionaires.
Capitalism! Gotta love it, or not.
I choose ‘not’
I got my stupid 111€ profit from the stupid shares after selling it off.
Hope it dies in a fire.Every 5 years or so, I get an $80US residuals check from my uncle’s estate. Hey, it’s a couple bottles of decent wine.
Former world’s first trillionaire
The other day I made a comment on the original IPO post saying that he isn’t a trillionaire because the IPO isn’t promising anything and got argued with about it.
Even Goldman Sachs was saying the IPO was ridiculous.
Everyone involved in this entire affair was an idiot. XAI has absolutely no product to speak of, where’s the valuation coming from?
But you have to understand, if we regulated these people, THEY WOULD LEAVE! then what would we do?
OH THE HUMANITY! WHAT WOULD WE DO WITHOUT THE BILLIONAIRES!!?!
Interestingly enough enough places in the world have attempted to tax billionaires that we do have some data. For the most part they don’t leave.
They can afford the tax anyway, and really the whole point of money, as far as their concerned, is to just throw it at people to solve problems for them. They don’t want to pay extra tax on principle because they don’t think other people should get their money, but they also don’t actually care enough to go to the effort to leaving.
Besides where would they go?
Are they shocked that Elon has no respect for their share holder opinion?
A reminder that every share he owns carries 10 votes to the 1 vote everyone else’s share has?
