• artyom@piefed.social
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    23 hours ago

    a group should cut down several dozen of them

    No vandalism

    😐

    E: LOL downvotes for facts, I guess

    • chunk6235@piefed.social
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      22 hours ago

      Heck, no need to even risk collecting that many real ones. I hear there’s some fairly decent 3D printed fakes available.

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      22 hours ago

      Technically not theft. Technically not vandalism.

      “Vandalism refers to the intentional destruction or defacement of property”

      They relocated the item to its owners house. At best the cutting might be vandalism but you don’t have to cut them down. That just happens to be quicker.

      • artyom@piefed.social
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        22 hours ago

        It is 100% vandalism, in every sense. I support it, civil disobedience and all that, but there’s no rationalizing it as anything else.

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          22 hours ago

          Nice downvote.

          You didn’t look up the legal definition of anything before you posted this nonsense. Have a good day.

          • artyom@piefed.social
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            22 hours ago

            Nonsense? You just posted a definition that describes this activity exactly…? So if anyone is posting nonsense, its you.

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              22 hours ago

              No. I did not. Relocation of the asset to the owners property means there’s no intent to deprive the owner of said property which means that it’s not theft.

              The property has not been defaced, damaged, or destroyed so that means there’s no intent of vandalism. Therefore vandalism did not take place.

              What you’re describing is criminal mischief, which I would agree this is.

              I made a singular allowance in the case that the pole was cut (which counts as damage), rather than being dug up (which wouldn’t), which you appear to have ignored.

              If you don’t like facts, that is a you problem.

              You are welcome to kagi or whatever this yourself to see what I’m talking about instead of doubling down.

              If you are incapable of that, don’t bother to respond to me.

              • artyom@piefed.social
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                10 hours ago

                I made a singular allowance in the case that the pole was cut… which you appear to have ignored.

                I didn’t ignore it, it just makes absolutely no sense. What is an “allowance”? The property is damaged, thus vandalism.

                If you don’t like facts, that is a you problem.

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                20 hours ago

                The property has been damaged, as you need to cut them down. If you manage to move the whole thing without cutting the pole you’d have a point.

                (i did read your whole comment, we were literally talking about cutting down a pole)

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                  14 hours ago

                  You absolutely can move the thing without cutting it down. It just happens to be quicker to cut them down and most of the people doing this don’t care about the charge.

                  But I do take your meaning and to some extent even agree with it.