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Remember when China sent their military into Hong Kong? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Now that’s a liberation!
It was a good attempt but the protestors failed and Hong Kong is occupied territory.
That’s… what I said? Liberated. Like China did to Tibet. And Russia is doing to Ukraine. For what is liberty if not being forcibly subjected to the laws of a foreign government asserting that the land and populace is theirs by divine/historical/imagined right? Sure Hong Kong governed itself perfectly well before Britain unclenched their greedy imperialist hands. And sure, China agreed to let Hong Kong continue to govern itself afterwards. But when it comes down to it, those people belong to China. They needed to be liberated from the idea that they were independent. Had those protestors simply submitted to The Party, a lot of hubbub could have been avoided.
Should I lay it on thicker, or would an /s suffice? My internal Poe’s Law is having a field day with this.
haha, nah, it’s because we’ve had tankies who unironically say that stuff
At least you’re aware of your shortcomings.
On the fediverse there are A LOT of tankies who unironically would call it a liberation.
yup
And US to Venezuela, Iran and soon Greenland, or Israel to Libanon, Gaza and Cisjordania… Every imperialist countries are the same, including the western side. So it’s hard to give any lesson…
So it’s hard to give any lesson…
Only if your stance demands that one “side” can do no wrong while the other “side” is cartoonishly evil. Otherwise the lesson is pretty simple. Don’t simp for states.
Taiwan does claim to be the Republic of China, and to also own mainland China. Mainland China calls itself the People’s Republic of China, and claims to own Taiwan and various other places.
Taiwan literally can’t safely officially repudiate the ‘one china’ policy from their end because of the possibility that China would see that as declaring independence and potentially regard that as justification for military intervention. No-one in Taiwan seriously believes that it is conceivable to retake the mainland, nor any other historically old ROC territories.
Or, maybe, as they have long hoped, the US will put these children of a brutal aristocracy in ‘charge’ again.
How would the USA do that?
They would certainly struggle to do so but that doesn’t stop the ROC wishing it would.
Their hopes probably made more geopolitical sense many decades ago.
You got any actual evidence that people in Taiwan actually wish for this in any appreciable numbers?
Who, the indigenous Taiwanese, or the cancerous ancestors of brutal monarchists from the mainland?
Sorry, are you calling all people of Han ancestry on Taiwan inherently “cancerous”?
And I am asking for evidence that a significant amount of people, the majority of citizens of Taiwan seriously desire and hope for the mass annexation of China.
Yes, general knowledge. I agree that Taiwan should invade the mainland and take what is theirs.
Personally I’d say no, the government of mainland China has it’s well known authoritarian tendencies, but it’s still much better than a warzone or area under foreign military occupation would be, in the hypothetical case where the Taiwanese government gained the military capacity for this somehow, and Taiwan and the mainland have had decades for cultural divergence to occur, some extremely transformative decades at that, so close as they might still be, it would still be a foreign invasion for china at this point.
Based davel admitting ROC owns the mainland.
Mainland Taiwan?
That is the official stance of most of the world including Taiwan itself.
As stated: Taiwan literally can’t safely officially repudiate the ’one china’ policy from their end because of the possibility that China would see that as declaring independence and potentially regard that as justification for military intervention. No-one in Taiwan seriously believes that it is conceivable to retake the mainland, nor any other historically old ROC territories.
In terms of the rest of the world, ‘one china’ is expressed as a form of strategic ambiguity in reference to Taiwan.
Yes I’m aware of why everyone says the same thing officially, I’m just stating that everyone says it. Is hardly a unique thing to say.
Right, but I don’t think that davel (shown in the OP) is being intellectually honest regarding the ‘one china’ policy and how the Taiwanese actually see it.
Perhaps, but the truth remains that both China and Taiwan have always claimed it is part of China. It’s not an inaccurate thing to say. So it was a faulty argument to begin with because China was never claiming a Sovereign Nation that had never not been China according to everybody.
It was always a poor argument especially when there are far better versions of that argument to make such as their attempted stealing of territory belonging to the Philippines.
