With Lemmy being like half Russian bots, I think this won’t go amiss.
#The Russian state and government interfered in the 2024 United States elections through disinformation and propaganda campaigns[1] aimed at damaging Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and other Democrats while boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump and other candidates who support isolationism and undercutting support for Ukraine aid and NATO.[2][3][4][5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections
I don’t think there’s many propaganda bots on lemmy since it’s not big enough and there’s corporations with much bigger and dumber audiences
Oh yes, the old “I don’t think there’s Russians pn Lemmy”.
Anyone who genuinely thinks that is either severely cognitively limited or a lying Russian. Usually it’s the latter.
I could list a dozen off the top of my head. Start with davel@lemmy.ml. He insists he’s a red-blooded American who happens to not know anything about the US, who happens to know fluent Russian and who happens to favour political positions which are all in line with Russia.
“Lemmy isn’t big enough for” genuinely only a true moron would think that, or you’re another disgusting lying Ruski. Russia is utterly shit at everything except spycraft and propaganda. I’ve met Vladimirs and Ivans on small national servers on Discord/Teamspeak etc. A guy who claimed he was Irish born and raised couldn’t speak English without an extremely strong Russian accent and didn’t know what a limerick is. Let alone what Limerick is.
So, you’d believe a guy called Ivan Ivanovich being 100% born and raised American with no Russian connections, as long as he said it on something that isn’t Facebook? No, FB isn’t even popular now. Xitter? Reddit? YouTube?
Because Russians would just never ever put propagandists to use less moderated services that they could spam their bullshit into without worry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_disinformation
#So… are you spreading Russian propaganda on purpose, or are you just too dumb to realise you’re doing it?
I’m glad my fellow citizens saw through the bs and overrode my vote to keep us happy and safe.
Disclaimer: I might have voted for him because lesser of, but fuck Biden and his ineffective admin. Hey libs: the orange man would have been in jail in a competently run country. Fucking travesty.
No he would not. He would be ina maximum security federal or military prison, not jail. He didn’t rob liquor stores.
No, he would probably be out of the country.
The premise is “in a competently run country”
Not perfect, but Id accept that over gestures around
I can’t believe anyone actually bought that shit.
Have you visited or had interactions with people from .ml or hexbear?
.ml isn’t pro-Trump generally even if they’d shitpost about the uniparty, it’s Hexbear that’s clearly being run as a psyop.
Well, on review I blocked .ml, maybe they’re saying that now
Not the part about a vote for trump being a vote for peace, but they sure do & did trot out the part about biden being a warmonger.
I mean, he and all Democratic leadership at that level are, but not to the same extent as the Republicans. That said, the false equivalence is either pure propaganda, or stupidity. Pretty hard to tell the difference, unfortunately.
Oooo I have I have!
I don’t honestly think they really did. What they were sold was that the conservative leadership held the conservative individuals’ best interests lined up. Last time they didn’t get to execute their plan. This time no one was left to stop them.
To that point, there are proud boys and neo nazies in positions of power. They’re wearing the gear and putting their slogans on things. The individuals have been told over and over that it’s the non-whites that are the cause of all their problems and they’re still on board with ethnic cleansing. They are just now starting to get somewhat disillusioned that things aren’t actually getting better for them even though the playbooks are being run.
The part about Biden is true enough. Republicans and Democrats are largely in agreement about the dismantling of the middle class and expansion of the empire. Democrats just want an orderly transition while Republicans want to burn it all down as fast as possible.
In case you didn’t know who Presler was, he’s just another conservative sycophant.
According to MAGA, no war has yet occurred, only brief strikes & conflicts that quickly ended without declaration of war, which is technically true. This is how they rationalize it so far.
Russia is technically not at war with Ukraine as they have not officially declared it.
4 years later…
It’s always some weird technicality to say it’s not a war
For whatever reason this kind of campaign tactic had zero effective counter amongst the general electorate. This messaging won. Refuting it was left to the internet forums.
It’s because social media is toxic.
Look at the view counts below conservative posts. That is why there is no counter; the game is rigged.
How can you refuse this. It quickly turns into a “no u” situation.
by design! turns out if you just project hard enough, the only possible argument is a “no u” situation. and actually taking that position officially has been a bridge too far for any credible opposition up to now.
everyone is conditioned to defend the right even when theyre wrong
People are just too fucking dumb. Most can only rationalize that current thing bad = current leader bad = different leader better, and there’s no end of grifters taking advantage of that.
sexism and racism is what they voted for, cant have a black person they made that mistake in 08 with obama, plus no women ever.
yeah primaries was a train wreak in slow mo. like I was telling people I did not give a crap that Kamala was chosen by Biden as a successor she’s still better than trump by far. I couldn’t really think of any reason from them to vote for trump
I’m glad people are coming around on the idea that people are too stupid to vote.
Yeah, that’s not what I said.
People are too fucking dumb [and] there’s no end to grifters taking advantage of that
Maybe not, but these statements are directly applicable to voters and I think voting in an environment where bad actors can easily manipulate voters is irresponsible.
Do you not agree?
Who decides who is allowed to vote?
Quis custodiat ipsos custodes?
Everyone gets to vote or no one.
You can see in one of my other comments that i disagree with that statement.
Also, you didn’t answer my question.
I did answer your question.
Everyone has a vote (democracy) or no one has a vote (dictatorship because the flawed system where you exclude certain voters always ends up like that).
are there any better options?
Not in real life.
I do dream of a government composed of a council of experts. Each person would be an expert in their field and they would br elected by their own peers. I think something like that would be better for humanity. If you look at the science communities you will see a lot of collaboration across boundaries and i think that’s one of our biggest problems.
I’m not so delusional as to think it faultless, but an improvement, surely.
The problem tends to be that (1) experts are only experts in their own fields, but have a distressing tendency to think that makes them experts in all fields and (2) an expert is often only an expert if unchallenged. Plenty of ‘experts’ have had their research get supplanted—or attempts have been made to supplant it—with newer, more accurate research, but the older so-called experts often fight against that newer research so as not to lose their exalted status. Sadly, you see often in science (look at how Louis Pasteur was treated when he dared to suggest bacteria caused disease).
Yeah, absolutely. There would have to be levels of checks and balances just like any other governmental system.
Yet, even with these problems i still think it would be an improvement.
You’ve just reminded me of that clip of I can’t remember which middle-eastern dictator expressing his views on democracy and the average person’s intelligence
If you can find it, i’m curious.
The Onion is so fucked.
The onion just consults their future prediction orb and writes down what they see; they were never satire.
Exactly. The onion HQ rests on top of the worlds only spice mine and you can tell who works for them by the glowing spice addict eyes.
ONN is just hyperbolizing what already in the news
The protest non-voters fell for it. Now we get generations of destruction to hopefully heal from.
we aren’t going to live long enough to see healing.
I am sad because this is so true. I can hold very high hopes for the bright future, but I won’t see it. At most I will see my dear ones and me live largely unharmed, and that’s it
So enbys won’t be affected, interesting.
Ironically under Biden yes they would be affected. Under Trump, well i won’t say they won’t be affected, but they won’t be drafted
One of the biggest problems with the Democrats’ campaign was they went all in on this “benevolent” interventionist policy, and denounced anyone who disagrees with it for any reason as a Russian bot. This papered over differences on the right and allowed Trump to simultaneously win over the libertarian isolationists who want to stay out of conflicts and the nationalists who want mask off imperialism, and that same inflexibility is what alienated the left.
first time I’m hearing about Russian bots, but I’ve given up on democrats, i like them better when the DSA infiltrates’ their party
Is there any way we can convince Trump voters to NOT vote for Trump or whatever Republican nominee in the 2028 election?
Of course there is, but violence is apparently frowned upon.
Kinda, but there this saying I heard “hard to be moral when it means giving up your friend group”. So it seems like kinda need friend group that endorse left wing values
Most of the American left is still going on about how bad Biden is 🤦♂️
As a leftist I already moved on and thought about normalizing socialism
Because he was.
We were always at war with eurasia
With everyone who has oil.
I mean only the last paragraph is wrong. A vote for Trump is a vote for even more war and quicker fascism.
Another guy already tried that, plus Biden didn’t start wars
