Consumer grade.
Because if they try and ban cisco they’ll collapse
Cisco is an American company though.
Not manufactured in the US
But in fact USA and Israel are the countries that spy on anyone. I am more concern about USA and Israel spying than from India and China. In this point in history USA and Israel are the enemy of the world.
All countries spy on each other.
I definitely agree about being more worried about the US spying than China though.
The only reasonable stance in 2026 is any government entity is just as much of a threat to an individual’s well-being and livelihood as a criminal organization.
No one should be spying on you. Not the CCP. Not the US NSA/CIA, not Mossad, not anyone.
Next up, foreign VPNs and shortwave radios are illegal to use.
Then phone calls are restricted.
Then international mail has to be inspected and censored.
All hail Chairman Trump!
USA USA 👊🇺🇸🔥
https://www.ic3.gov/PSA/2026/PSA260312
Compromised devices already comprise what amounts to a foothold within US network infrastructure that makes attribution of actors and defense of critical infrastructure impossible.
It’s actually a really good situation for China since they have access to millions of these compromised devices in police stations, fire stations, hospitals, within critical infrastructure networks etc.
Also, the equivalent of mail censorship is already being done by more subtle means.
The US is more fucked than you know. I just hope the US doesn’t piss china off too much. The asymmetric warfare will claim more lives of civilians than combatants.
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Well tell us your four point plan about how to overthrow the US government and take back control. You can base it on one of the numerous revolutions you have obviously been a part of. It’s not like you are just some asshole who doesn’t really know anything about it and you are just greatly oversimplifying the situation…that couldn’t be it.
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Go to Truesizeof.net and look at how fucking big America is. It’s roughly as big as all the countries involved with the Arab Spring events added together but it would basically have to be overthrown all at once. We can’t overthrow Virginia then slowly work our way around to other states.
People outside America act like we are doing nothing but there are protests, riots, and people are getting disappeared by ICE every day. There is no magical way to get a few million people to roll over the White House becuase the president has his own very violent army (ICE) and much of the military supports him becuase they fired all the generals who didn’t.
We are not spoiled fat lazy childten. Most of us work at least two jobs and still live paycheck to paycheck. Roughly 60% of the population is one paycheck away from homelessness.
…but yeah all Americans are lazy fat fucks for not fixing a situation you have never been in or offer any real solutions for.
Look at France because all because they wanted to raise the retirement age. Maybe we should start making jokes about Americans being docile. Like they make fun of the French being cowards. And all Americans do is protest once every couple of months. And say we good.
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Sorry I don’t have white privilage.
White dudes voted him in, this aint on me. I voted Harris.
What do you want a foreign-born non-white immigrant to do? Political violence? So that it incites even more xenophobia?
Join a community and do what they do.
Call up your local NAACP and find activist groups to be a part of. Advocate for yourself instead of waiting for whitey to save you from the mess they created.
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No but that’s fine, he voted harris. His opinion was heard and rejected. Nothing else he can do
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Manufactured probable cause.
This is just their way of saying they want state sponsored backdoors into all private home networks.
Or, guess what, the next thing will be that all new domestically produced routers will require ID verification before they’ll connect.
every 6 hours.
Honestly would’ve fit perfectly in that movie, but the verification can doesn’t have electrolytes.
It’s got what plants crave.
With screenshots of your systems sent and analyzed by ai
They don’t want to, they already have it and just don’t want people to be able to avoid it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act
requiring that telecommunications carriers and manufacturers of telecommunications equipment modify and design their equipment, facilities, and services to ensure that they have built-in capabilities for targeted surveillance
… does America even manufacture routers?
We don’t lol
Electronics manufacture of any kind has been heavily outsourced since at least 1995.
That only means we’re going to take over a country that makes routers.
Greenfield makes routers right? Or is it Iceland? My hands are Huuuuuge!
China? Yeah fat chace
Time to dust off the old US Robotics 14.4k sportster.
Do they know what a router is ?
It depends on their version the fcc is considering “manufactured”. If they mean it in a literal sense, there’s pretty much just starlink. If they mean it can be an American company but put together overseas then there’s plenty, like Netgear and Linksys.
linksys is owned by foxconn since 2018, the times when they were cheap brand of cisco are long gone.
I think the last time that was the case, they were called modems and made by US Robotics.
Shortly after the chips and components started coming from Japan and eventually Taiwan.
I can understand the FTC being involved because trade. But the FCC? Maybe regulatory authority over WiFi? But this seems like massive over reach.
Remember when conservatives claimed to support smaller government?
Remember when conservatives claimed to support smaller government?
I only remember when conservatives lied everytime they opened their mouths.
Yeah, Reagan was always talking about small government, and then he blew up the deficit with unchecked spending. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How about the bit where they say home routers have to be approved by the DHS or the “Department of War”? This is not normal.
I mean… “Small government” Republicans were always demonstrably lying, as far back as any of them have been alive. Every one of them just wanted to shift money from things that support people to the pockets of their donors.
They still do claim that, but every federal republican administration since I have been born has spent more than it brought in, and has a less fiscally conservative record than every administration from the other major party, whom they tarred as fiscally irresponsible the entire time. I am almost 50.
The only explanation that makes sense to me is that this is a law to:
- get bribes or favors from telecom equipment manufacturers.
- Create a framework to force backdoors into consumer equipment.
- Force users to use ISP provided equipment.
ISP provided equipment is also made outside of the US. This affects way more than just telecom stuff
but does ISP provided equipment count as consumer grade?
Create a framework to force backdoors into consumer equipment.
Ding ding ding
First thought upon seeing this headline. How long until we see the great firewall of USA?
Yes, everything trump does is a request for a bribe.
This only applies to routers.
It’s not widely known outside the ham radio community, but part of the 2.4GHz wifi band overlaps the 13cm amateur radio band. If you turn off 5GHz wifi and lock the 2.4GHz AP to Channel 1, it qualifies as a ham radio, and can be sold as a ham radio instead of an AP/Router. You do need a ham radio license to operate it as a Ham AP, but you do not need a license to buy a Ham AP.
If the end user wants to turn on 5GHz after the fact, there is not a damn thing the FCC can do about it.
That deals with the need for a WiFi access point, but not the main router functionality. Another approach would be a low-power PC running OPNsense or PFsense with a WiFi card repurposed as an access point. Or, if the new policy concerns only routers and not access points, a PC for the router plus a dedicated WiFi access point (some device that is not capable of being a router).
But you can’t run encryption on it. So that means no WEP, no WPA, no SSL, TLS, VPN, etc.
So yes, while you could run your own wireless access point, it doesn’t solve the main requirement for most people which is privacy.
You aren’t understanding my point.
My point is that you can continue to import and sell the exact same physical device, just with a little change in marketing, and possibly software.
My point is this: Once you have acquired the device, there is fuck all the FCC can do about you converting your “ham radio” back into a consumer-grade router.
This is technically not true, the FCC can and does enforce spectrum usage rules. Whether they will expend resources chasing down your router or your unlicensed GMRS is another matter.
Lol nice
If foreign made routers pose a severe cybersecurity risk then why would you let the current ones on the market stay? If they were truly a problem you’d remove them from the market, not grandfather them.
But like everything with this capricious administration the real reason they’re doing this is probably because someone greased their palms.
doesn’t cover ISP or commercial equipment
The foreign backdoors will stay for critical infrastructure
Honestly it feels like they get their Intel from memes.
Awesome. So what used to be a $50 router is about to be a $150 router. Great.
And it’s going to suck BALLS
$150 will get you a mini PC that you can run OPNsense on. Hopefully they don’t ban WiFi access points next.
there is not much wifi access points that are not routers at the same time and i doubt that said regulation would make such a minor a distinction.
also keep in mind that the news articles are specifically talking about tp-link products.
unfortunately we can only guess, because only official document i have found is as vague as the news reports.
https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist
Routers^ produced in a foreign country, except routers which have been granted a Conditional Approval by DoW or DHS.
Access points and routers are usually separate once you get away from the consumer grade stuff. The people that run OPNsense at home often use MikroTik or Ubiquiti access points.
i don’t think there is single mikrotik that can’t function as a router. the fact you can configure them as software bridge does not change that.
the rest answered here:
there are some but they are definitely in the minority. also this regulation is focused on home and soho devices, it specifically mentiones tp-link, which is really not enterprise brand.
also the regulation from what i found is so vague, that i suspect that for the author router equals to “that white box with antenna sitting on my table” and is very likely they have no clue about difference between l2 and l3 layer and what router actually is.
There are many access points that are not routers.
There are. Just need to shop in the business side of the store and not consumer. At worst pro-sumer.
there are some but they are definitely in the minority. also this regulation is focused on home and soho devices, it specifically mentiones tp-link, which is really not enterprise brand.
also the regulation from what i found is so vague, that i suspect that for the author router equals to “that white box with antenna sitting on my table” and is very likely they have no clue about difference between l2 and l3 layer and what router actually is.
You’re being pretty stubborn about your positions but you’re misinformed/ignorant.
There are SO many Wi-Fi access points that aren’t routers, but a combo router is what most home users buy or get from their ISP. So that’s what you think is “most” when in reality the consumer market is dwarfed by commercial.
TP-Link has Omada which is not as enterprise as CISCO but it definitely supports small and medium sized businesses, which are at the greatest risk to vulnerabilities due to low IT department skills.
Even more isolationism. Knowing how the usa works, they discovered the equipment was set up for spying on their people and they want all of that “spying on their own people” power for themselves.
they want all of that “spying on their own people” power for themselves.
My assumption as well, after after the video release in the Guthrie case, we know objectively that every device with a microphone or camera and a wireless connection is spying on us and feeding the data to the US government without a warrant too.
Can you link to the evidence from the Guthrie case?
I’ve always figured it was theoretically possible. Interested in any cases of it in the wild.
Here’s one source: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/investigators-wrangled-video-nancy-guthries-google-nest-camera-backend-rcna258460
I’m 100% sure it was Kash’s call, and he was just too stupid to realize what the FBI was inadvertently admitting to by releasing this footage.
Thank you, that’s fascinating. Not exactly aa egregious as a smart phone constantly sending out mic and cam data. But it’s nonetheless interesting Kash is being so open about it. Comes across to me as marketing the idea to the public that “if you let us and corporate America spy on you, we will keep you safe”.
Yup, they followed up with a Super Bowl ad to that effect, and the negative response was so strong that Ring/Amazon immediately walked it back.
Yup. That’s basically what happened with TikTok.
Unintentionally shutting down ai data centers. Lol, we know this will only be selectively enforced!
Well it does say consumer-grade. Not sure what the reasoning there is, as backdoors in enterprise equipment would be much worse for national security
Producers of consumer-grade routers that receive Conditional Approval from DoW or DHS can continue to receive FCC equipment authorizations. Interested applicants are encouraged to submit applications to conditional-approvals@fcc.gov
A very speculative, cynical interpretation: something of value will be exchanged for the privilege of conditional approval.
Enterprise grade equipment comes with entire teams dedicated to securing it, with various overlapping services intended to identify and mitigate vulnerabilities. Along with enterprise level agreements around usage and support.
Consumer grade is just fire and forget, you’re on your own.
And if thee is a back door that all means nothing.
What are you envisioning precisely when you say a “back door”?
enterprise equipment manufacturers have already paid the bribe.
You’re absolutely right. Legalese makes fools of us all.
Conditional approvals - it’s a bribe scheme. Companies can ask for exceptions. Sure they wouldn’t Grease any palms…
They bulit the bribe into the law: “Producers of consumer-grade routers that receive Conditional Approval from DoW or DHS can continue to receive FCC equipment authorizations. Interested applicants are encouraged to submit applications to conditional-approvals@fcc.gov.”
So the application process is “drop us an email and we’ll tell you where to deposit the money.”
Gold colored Trump Router incoming
Dude don’t give them ideas, I live here
TBF the more stupid ideas we give them, the less time they have to do really bad things
like they actually spend time scamming people… they have people for that.
A promise of it not the actual router.
