• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    9 days ago

    I didn’t help ICE murder anyone. Is Claudia de la Cruz ordering the raids?

    You, on the other hand, do have blood on your hands from the Palestinians you helped murder.

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      9 days ago

      And this is our fundamental disagreement. No action I could take would have stopped the US’s support of the genocide.

      However there was 1 action that I chose to take that could have prevented those murders. You chose in-action resulting in more deaths

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        9 days ago

        you helped ice murder

        You chose in-action

        If inaction is “helping,” then rest assured that I helped Kamala get elected and am prepared to do so again.

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          9 days ago

          Ah yeah that totally is a logical approach to what was said.

          MAGA level logic

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            9 days ago

            I don’t care if you think it’s “MAGA level logic.” As I said, I don’t give a shit if you think I’m acting irrationally or that I’m a bad person. I know that I’m not.

            The fact of the matter is that the only recourse you have is to demand policy concessions to my side if you want to win. Support a centrist and you’ll get another Trump. I’m “irrational,” right? So it doesn’t matter what words you say to try to convince me. Give me what I want (ending the mass slaughter of innocents) or we all go down together.

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              I don’t give a shit if you think I’m acting irrationally or that I’m a bad person. I know that I’m not.

              Wow we’ve just moved on to full MAGA logic with that one.

              You know the funniest thing is you assume we’re on different sides. We’re likely not. I acted on harm reduction. I want less dead people, but apparently you want more:

              Give me what I want (ending the mass slaughter of innocents) or we all go down together.

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                9 days ago

                Kamala would not have ended the mass slaughter of innocents, stop pretending that’s what you stand for.

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                  9 days ago

                  Oh so the people murdered by ICE were guilty or at the very least not innocent in your eyes?

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                    9 days ago

                    Oh, so you find children sexually attractive?

                    Why do you libs always resort to these completely baseless accusations?

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                    9 days ago

                    Do you think it’s more effective to try to convince anti-genocide people to become a bit more okay with genocide rather than joining their side and remove both ICE murder and genocide together?

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              I know that I’m not.

              I wonder if Palestinians, whose situation is way worse with Trump at the helm, give a flying fuck about your “clear” conscience.

              Give me what I want (ending the mass slaughter of innocents) or we all go down together.

              Spoken like a true selfish little bitch.

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                9 days ago

                I created an account just to say this: I am Palestinian, believe it or not, and to me and everyone I know, American presidents are all the same.

                I don’t think that Trump is in any way better than any other candidate would have been, but I don’t care if you’re polite about committing genocide like the democrats want it to be or if you’re full on honest about committing genocide. The outcome is the same to me, I just want it to stop, "less bad“ isn’t enough.

                Please don’t use Palestinians as a token for your agenda, because we don’t support it.

                And now I’ll abandon this account again even though I’m very proud of the name

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                selfish

                I’d say this is a revealing word, except that you already openly admitted that you think American lives are inherently more valuable than those of foreigners.

                But it’s revealing because it shows that you are fundamentally incapable of seeing Palestinians as human beings. You are therefore only able to conceive of my position as some kind of “pet cause,” that is exclusively about me and my feelings. The reality is that my position comes from a place of selflessness, of placing the lives of the marginalized victims of my country above my own concerns and interests. But in your mind, the lives of Palestinians have no value except insofar as an American, a human, cares about them.

                You are a disgusting fascist that has no value to contribute to the discussion, you are my enemy and our goals are fundamentally opposite. Unlike you, I believe that all people are created equal. The only problem you have with Trump is that he doesn’t respect decorum, on every other point his actions are completely consistent with your chauvinistic values.

                I only have three more words to say to scum like you: Follow Your Leader.