Why would you call something “plant based” when it uses a lot of plastic which after short time degrades and exposes it to the environment?
I guess petroleum came from plant.
Not all plant based leather uses plastic. It’s unfortunate that plant+plastic mixes are allowed to call themselves plant based leather.
You’d be shocked what they allow to be called leather. I expect the environmental impact of leather is far worse than the production of vinyl. Tanning is pretty nasty.
Polyurethane couldn’t sell the couches because it simply as sexy as plant-based leather.
I don’t really understand all the hate/cynicism towards vegan leather. Like yeah obviously plastic is bad for the environment, but raising cows and dumping thousands of tons of chromium into rural waterways for the tanning process aren’t good either. Leather is actually far worse for the environment by some metrics.
Plus there’s the fact that most leather is sealed with plastic/acrylic to increase its longevity anyway, unless you’re buying something wicked expensive.
Leather can last for many decades if treated well. Vegan leather aka plastic lasts a few years tops.
It must be pretty hard to understand if you don’t think about it too hard.
Plastic is just as bad for the environment, not to mention people’s health, as those cows.
Vegan leather is what they call plastic imitation leather nowadays
And it’s fucking terrible compared to real leather. It’ll start flaking or cracking after a year, it’s fucking dangerous around fire, it offers no fucking insulation or protection, it’s shit.
A problem in the fire performer community is that novices will grab it thinking it’s the same as real leather, or because they oppose real leather, and we always have to pull them aside and give em a stern talk about how dangerous it is
Ive had it in my car for 7 years and zero flaking and feels great. Thats definitely specific to the quality you have.
I had a pair of boots that I used 9 months a year in Swedish climate for roughly 10 years without a hitch. They also went for hikes in Costa Rica and across India and Nepal. At the end they looked worn but were still functional as I swapped them out for another pair of vegan leather boots.
I’ve had other vegan shoes that lasted a lot shorter but that can be said about my animal skin shoes as well.
Modern bio-leather causes about 10% off the emissions leather does and doesn’t have the same tanning process which is extremely toxic.
Not saying that vegan is strictly better, but rumours of it’s crappiness are severely out of date.
I definitely haven’t had the same experience. Anything I get that is pleather ends up breaking down sooner rather than later (especially thrifted pleather). Hell, my favorite pair of pleather pants recently lost a dish sized area by the crotch, and those were bought new from a brand I trust. Virtually every pair of pleather boots has ended up in the trash, and I currently have a long pleather skirt that basically ripped from floor to waist that I’m still deciding whether to fix or not.
I will add the disclaimer that I’m an experienced leatherworker which affects my bias
I rarely get real leather new, and when it fails it’s rarely the actual leather. I have a jacket I thrifted about a decade ago that is still going strong, though I’ve had to replace the buttons a few times. My most recent leather boots survived multiple camping trips and heavy use, until the plastic zipper broke. Even my leatherwork mainly uses repurposed scraps. At this point my partner and I refuse to buy/use a daily purse that is anything but leather because of how long it lasts. It’s worth repairing leather, it’s not worth repairing pleather.
Plastic zipper on leather boots is quite the engineering choice…
In fairness it’s strong plastic, but I wish they’d used metal. Curse you Timberland!
I recall the term being pleather. Plastic leather.
Technically if they are organic matter compressed over eons into polycarbons, they’re still dinosaurs, so not vegan
Well a lot of it turns out to be dead trees not dinosaurs, but I’m sure I’ll get “um actually” but someone who is a bigger expert
Coal is from trees. Oil is from bacterial mats.
“Well. There it is.”
Just because a movie is “based” on a book doesn’t mean the movie is made of paper.
Checkmate vegetables.
I thought the point of the stuff was to avoid killing animals.
Yes. Plastic is actually a great material for anything you don’t want to break down.
If you want something that doesn’t break down until you want it to, and then breaks down, you might be asking too much. I’m not even sure animal leather qualifies after the chemical tanning process.
Yeah I’ve had it with Will’s Vegan Shoes. They use https://www.viridis-leather.it/faq.html and say it’s “bio-based leather” but if you go to the link:
Is it recycled, recyclable or biodegradable?
No, it’s not but it expresses its sustainable content because it’s mainly produced using by-products from corn and wheat instead of petrolium based products. Bio polyols always available as renewable resources.
Which type of PU is Viridis® made of?
43 % of PU made using polyols coming from corn and wheat, 31 % of normal PU.
It’s almost as if another common term for vegan leather is PU Leather
Cause they know fools love buzzz words. That’s why I couldn’t find margarine until I realized it’s now “plant butter”
I think everything labeled “plant butter” is vegan, whereas “margarine” can contain both plant and animal fats. I don’t think that’s regulated, but I think that’s how those terms are used in practice. I always check the labels just to be sure, of course.
as opposed to…dead cow skin?
It would be cruel to use the skin of a live cow.
As long as there is meat consumption there will be dead skin. I am open for all kind of alternatives but plastic none for me. Also real leather can be tanned in a bad way. So its a difficult topic in general.
Veg tanning is a thing too, growing in popularity and better for artisanal work.
Not if the meat is grown. But skin could also be grown, I think.
I hadnt thought of that:
good point!
Not that anybody’ll actually do it, but it could be done.
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They don’t live long without skin.
I guess. Dead cow skin uses very little polyurethane
YSK: Cellulose can be made extremely durable and water resistent. The wallet I’ve been using for a decade now is made of cellulose. The stitching was kinda bad from the start, so I’ve had to repair it once. But the material itself is still holding stong. And it feels nice and is very grippy.
“TreeLeather” or something like that, was 1 brand of the cellulose “leather” stuff…
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Because it is made from plant based materials? Like some LEGO parts are nowadays made from plant based materials.
Plants -> Ethanol -> Plastic
Polyurethane is made by (among other steps) mixing paint thinner and phosgene gas. It’s a nasty dangerous process.
The only time plants are involved is when they mix in some fiber pulp at the end.
Plant based plastics exist, but they are not polyurethane.
I can’t stress enough how much heavy lifting the phrase “among other steps” is doing here.
Ah, OK. TIL.
I see the point of plant based leather not as necessarily being great now, but as demonstrating that there is demand for R & D to make a product that can meet or surpass the quality of leather later.
No hate, but leather and pb leather is gross to us idk how people like it. The texture is eugh
