Almost nobody is willing to buy one
repairability enthusiasts have bought Framework laptops in the hundreds of thousands
Pick a lane there, XDA…
Exactly
Their argument is that only enthusiasts want these laptops, but an average customer doesn’t care about them.
And I don’t see why that is a problem. If a company is doing good thing and sustaining itself, I don’t see why they will need to be the next dell, hp, or lenovo. That feels like the toxicity of “endless growth” in the capitalistic view of the world.
Not to mention in most of the place I go to, these are the most popular laptops only behind macbooks. In many situations, they are even more popular than macbooks.
I have never seen a Framework in the wild, however I applaud their approach, but even when taking repair costs in consideration, Frameworks are more expensive than simply upgrading to a newer laptop and using the old laptop for some other purpose. I can’t imagine with the rampocalypse that they easily survive, but I hope they do, I wish other manufacturers would make repair a higher priority.
My anecdotal experience - my Asus gaming laptop died about 6 months ago. with a lot of trouble shooting, I determined it was most likely the mobo. I decided to go with a framework, and was able to bring over my hard drive and ram, saving me like $400.
You also likely don’t need to reinstall/resetup everything, which is absolutely painful.
Getting the framework driver’s was painful. I needed to download them over wifi, but wifi wasn’t working because it needed the driver. okay, download on another computer and install via USB, nope. USB drivers aren’t working either. I ended up spotting my hard drive into my desktop, downloading the drivers that way, and then moving it back to the framework laptop to install.
If you have a desktop with internet connection, maybe a USB stick would suffice?
There is also USB tethering from a phone that could work.
I am not defending framework. They should try to do better (maybe windows is the bottleneck? not sure). Just offering solutions to people who might encounter this problem later.
I’ve literally never had a computer need drivers to make basic USB work in the past probably 20 years. I had a bleeding edge ai 350 framework right even when it came out. Linux was a little flaky with my sound but everything else worked. Same in Windows. Maybe I needed Wi-Fi drivers, don’t recall, but I know USB worked without any. I’m really curious how you needed USB drivers of all things genuinely. I mean you installed the OS presumably from a thumb drive so how would that not work in the same os after installing? Lol.
USB drivers aren’t working either.
What the hell do you mean, USB drivers need to be downloaded? Isn’t that standardized and included with the system?
I would like to offer a slightly different perspective: I believe framework is uniquely positioned to survive the ram apocalypse (at least respect to their scale).
In the sense that, framework user can keep purchasing and upgrading components, like battery, screen, speaker, hinge, expansion card, without needing to worry about ram prices, and framework can profit from these component without needing to subsidize ram prices.
That being said, as a smaller company, they certainly don’t have the same amount of bargaining power on ram as most big players, and the launch of LPCAM2 is a bit risky, since that pervents people from purchasing new ram/board/laptops given the current ram prices.
Does a new generation mobo/chip combination generally still support the older generation of RAM?
Nope, not on intel core ultra 3 unfortunately (unless you have LPCAMM2 lying around, which is unlikely), that is the risky part I mentioned in the end.
that is the risky part I mentioned in the end.
That’s what I get for only reading 2/3 of your comment before responding.
Frameworks are more expensive than simply upgrading to a newer laptop
They’re absolutely not.
can’t imagine with the rampocalypse that they easily survive
Being that you can and have been able to buy them without RAM or storage, I’d say they’re better-positioned than anyone.
Umm, not sure if you have seen Framework’s prices.
The current 13in with a weak intel processor is $1850 (and you can’t get it until October). To buy an equivalent Dell? Around $1,000 and you can get it tomorrow. The upgrade cost for the motherboard (say you want to switch to AMD), will cost you $900. For that $3k you can buy 3 Dells all with ram and storage.
And no, they aren’t positioned well without RAM as their newer ones use LPCAMM2. You don’t have that just lying around.
That is just plain not true. If you are a enthusiast and know where to look then you definitely can find better deal than framework, but getting a dell (or even better dell?) for half of the price is simple not true.
On Dell website https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-xps-14-laptop/spd/xps-da14260-laptop, a core ultra 7 358H with 32GB Ram and 1TB SDD is 2749$ with no touch screen and a 2K display and windows Home.
On framework website https://frame.work/products/laptop13pro-intel-ultra-3/configuration/new, the same processor, ram, storage, with 2.8k touch screen, plus windows pro cost 2299$
Framework is cheaper than dell if you don’t try to find deals or buy older models.
If you buy older models, then framework don’t need to replace ram, I can upgrade my laptop to kitted out ryzen AI 9 for only 849$, https://frame.work/products/mainboard-amd-ai300?v=FRANTE0009 with my existing 64GB of ram. I don’t think you can get any laptop close to that quality with this price.
It’s very true. You recognize that Dell always runs discounts and the only people paying full price would be corporations or ignorant people such as yourself? Literally Dell is running a discount to bring the price down to $1,300. Wild how price inefficient Framework is, for something you can’t get until at least October, when every other manufacturer you can get now.
The current 13in with a weak intel processor is $1850
Is not at all a weak processor. Intel currently makes the best x86 mobile processors on the market. The entire point is that you don’t have to buy a whole new computer when you upgrade. You just get an updated motherboard and slap it into the existing chassis.
The upgrade cost for the motherboard (say you want to switch to AMD), will cost you $900. For that $3k you can buy 3 Dells all with ram and storage.
And all 3 will be outdated when it comes time to upgrade. And they’ll all be shittier than the Framework.
they aren’t positioned well without RAM as their newer ones use LPCAMM2
That is 1 of 5 computers they sell.
Umm that intel processor is the weakest of the bunch. The i9 version you can’t even buy from Framework currently. I get the homerism for Framework, but I guarantee you that they will be out of business within 5 years.
I don’t think you get the point. To upgrade a Framework, even if you are able to move the ram and SSD over, you literally can get an equivalent laptop from another manufacturer with new RAM, SSD and the screen, battery and everything else, and still use the old laptop. With Framework, you move parts over and slowly upgrade. It’s not sustainable at the current costing for anyone except for people who are very into home repair.
Framework is moving all over their laptops to LPCAMM2 because the newer platforms require it for faster RAM, the alternative would be soldered on RAM which defeats the entire purpose of Framework, as you wouldn’t be able to ‘upgrade’ your laptop or repair it.
Why does everything need to cater to the average consumer? The average consumer is a fucking idiot, especially when it comes to technology. They don’t need to sell to everyone, they just need to sell enough to keep their company running and their people paid.
I feel this way about spicy things. Everything “hot” is just hot to the average schmuck from the Midwest. Anything spicier than that gets dumbed down to become that (like taco bell Diablo sauce) or becomes hard to find.
I really enjoyed when that Buldak 2x spicy chicken raman “challenge” became a thing, because that’s some great tasting raman and more in line with the normal amount of spicy I like to eat. Now I’m back to having to just order it online again.
You can order the sauce separately too. I love that Buldak spicy carbonara stuff.
I totally have some! But man, it’s kind of pricey for what it is. Not saying I don’t spend more on most of the hot sauces I buy, but still.
In my part of the world 2x is weak, the challenges were doing 3x 😂
I’ve never seen 3x, but I’ve gotten the 4x before. It wasn’t much hotter than the 2x, really.
At some point, your tongue is numb anyway.
As an average schmuck from the Midwest. I’m sorry our weak tastebuds are fucking up your options.
It’s not your fault. The taco bell one really tucked me off, though. The first summer it was out was a limited time thing. It was actually a bit spicy. A lot more spicy than anything else a fast food chain had.
But then when they brought it back permanently it wasn’t half as spicy as it was. Taco Bell has like 5 fucking bland ass sauces now, and three of them taste about the same. What’s the damned point? FU taco bell. You could have left me with at least one option besides all your ketchup with tobacco sauce mixed in. No wonder I’ve only been there like 4 times in the last year.
Yeah, I remember thinking the diablo one was pretty hot for my taste but now it’s the one I go with. I didn’t know they changed it, I thought I might have developed some tolerance lol. It’s gotten way too expensive for what it is anyway.
Yeah. They buy cheaper stuff, and charge more for it. I can’t stand the taste of their trash burrito shells they went to. Then, they charge twice as much for just a bean burrito and give you half the filling, even though it’s just super cheap refried beans.
With laptop making, that’s a lot though. Economies of scale are a huge factor there.
It may be, but that doesn’t resemble what they said. Presumably that is a less clickbaity headline.
Comes from the corporate mindset where only growth is good. Just existing as a company that’s makes stuff for a small group of people is somehow ‘incorrect’ to these crazy people.
How many laptops are enterprise purchases as well? Those dont get fixed.
That argument falls flat because Android rose to prominence on the backs of enthusiast recommendations.
So few that if you order one now you only have to wait til October to get it.
Well, what is hundreds of thousands as a percentage of the overall market? Like if they sold hundreds of thousands of grains of rice, that’s “almost nothing” compared to the rest of the rice that got sold
“Most of the market” includes the segments of commercial support contracts for office laptops which Framework doesn’t even target. Then you have the next biggest which is "go to Costco/Walmary/bestbuy and get what is on sale. So Framework simply cannot be a majority brand without those.
Among the remaining segment, e.g., developers that get to shop around and buy whatever they want? Its fairly popular.
I don’t understand what you mean in your first point. There are clear pathways for companies and schools to buy in bulk on the framework website. Not saying that FW is successful in that way but it is there.
I agree on your second point but would tie it to marketing. Having your laptop on sale at Costco is a marketing strategy, which for better or for worse, FW doesn’t do right now (and probably doesn’t have the ability to do)
In no context is hundreds of thousands of people “almost nobody”.
I mean, Dell is the #3 in laptop sales and sells roughly 30 million laptops per year. So yeah, Framework is roughly 0% of market share. I know this is a very tech enthusiast heavy website, but there are certain realities that people should face. It’s like saying Nothing Phone is going to remotely compete with Apple. It’s not a fair or valid comparison in the first place. I think a more fair comparison for Framework (beyond what they are hoping to achieve) would be with a small system builder like System 76, XMG or the likes.
This is not a reality anyone needs to “face”, it’s just an intentionally poor choice of words.
In many contexts it is.
Windows Phone sold millions of phones, yet it was almost nobody in terms of the market, and as such basically no app developers supported it.
Wrong
XDA is pretty much slop these days.
I didn’t know they existed, so that might be a factor too. Need some better advertising
Advertising is expensive as hell. Probably not a huge budget. The products kinda sell themselves in the right circles.
I’m increasingly comfortable being in n the almost nobody category. You should be too, after all almost nobody uses Lemmy.
It’s nice here.
Makes me think how much I wanted to play mutliplayer games as a kid. I always played single because all my games were err, yknow.
Then I got to play MP little by little only to realize I hate everyone. Teammates in shooters are almost always idiots. People raid me in online RPG’s because I dare not log in at 7 AM daily. My friends are impatient as fuck playing open world games like Minecraft, it always ends in 2 weeks. Nobody can agree what game to play. They tell me how they argued and broke up with their so and so as I’m fighting for my life in the trenches of battlefield 1, like I give a damn.
Now I play by myself in that little “almost nobody” and I’m happier than I ever was in multiplayer…
I want one real, real bad. But buying anything with RAM and SSDs in it right now is off the table.
I also want a Steam Machine and an AM5 based desktop. Also not gonna happen.
That’s the thing: it’s one of the few laptops you can buy without RAM and disk (of course only usable if you have these parts already)
Yeah. I get it. I don’t have any spare DDR5 SODIMMS or Samsung EVO m.2s laying around.
The point is that I won’t be upgrading anything anytime soon, and probably a lot of other people are in the same boat. I would love a Framework 16.
Unless you’re in the top right branch of our current K shaped economy, most people won’t be buying a Framework or a Steam Machine or upgrading their gaming rig right now.
I want one too
It do be like that
Exactly, I wanted to buy the new fully metal body pro model so bad but the prices are stupid high because of the shortages caused by the AI grift
The article is clanker slop. It’s mostly reiterative, a clear sign of clanker slop. Clankers are reiterative in their slop. A lot of clanker slop is reiterative.
That’s an excellent point, and you’re right to push back on this. Let me make an honest evaluation of the situation.
Not all reiterative spamlike garbage is clanker slop. Some of it is deliberately written to prioritize SEO over respecting the reader or producing anything of quality. Either way thanks for giving me the heads-up not to give them any of my time.
AKA some of it is meatslop
I’d say we had more meatslop two years ago than we have clankerslop today, though the clankers are gaining share…
That’s where the clankers learned it.
It felt repetitive to me too lol. I thought it scrolled back up to the top of something.
I think they’re just too expensive. It might be worth it in the long run, but a lot of people can’t justify the up front cost.
This is it average consumer laptop shops filtering by price and then value for that price if they’re tech savvy at all lol
Framework targeted a niche out the gate if they expected mass adoption in their business plan they misunderstood the market they were competing in
If we remove the capitalistic pov it’s a different game but we live in the delulu we do
From a comparison I saw, you can buy two complete laptops with the same specs as one framework. Its hard to justify an upgradable laptop at that point.
Thanks to “look up” (value engineering) the I can buy the cheap one twice is more required than ever before lol! I can’t speak to frameworks build quality
I’m also a used to dunk on apple products guy then I bought a MacBook Pro and honestly insert windows laptop here experience is just worse in every way “out of the box” 😂
Stupid sleep state settings and updates on battery - looking at you Samsung Galaxy crap trying to catch itself on fire in my backpack with a near dead battery every time I tried to use it lolol
Nailed it. The cost doesn’t really make sense when you can have two functional laptops when you upgrade, so the prior one becomes a backup, a home lab server, etc. I know they have ways of making the prior pieces functional, but again at increased cost.
Never mind the fact I just plain almost ever need to repair anything on my laptop because I take care not to damage it in the first place. The last laptop I had to repair anything on was one I bought in 2005, and it wasn’t even anything essential - just a pretty piece of the exterior that became unglued.
The mainboards work stand-alone. There are free STLs to print a case for it or you can buy a case from them.
Basically replacing the mainboard gives you another small PC to use as a desktop/living room/server device. You obviously still need RAM and storage though.
I own a framework 13 and I replaced the mainboard once (due to an issue, they replaced it) and it took less than 10 minutes to swap. It’s expensive for what it is, but in support of their vision I was willing to pay premium for it.
They also argue that they need these high prices due to low volumes with the goal of bringing prices down to be more competitive eventually.
I was able to get a used one cheap for under 600€, used it for a while and now have upgraded the hinges, speakers, battery, keyboard and motherboard along with more RAM and a larger SSD. It’s the perfect PC builder’s laptop.
That’s the Vimes Boots economic theory right there
Exactly. Great idea, nice execution. But as much as I want one, I can’t justify the cost. It’d be fantastic if a modular setup became standard. Upgradeable laptops would be great for the environment.
So it’s not serving the bottom-feeder market for effectively disposable Windows laptops.
Why should it need to? Serving a niche interest is perfectly valid as long as you’re making enough money at it to be self-supporting. Despite what the line-go-up-at-all-costs advocates think.
They also have a 12" laptop for the lower end market.
When friends or family ask my opinion on what computer to buy, I have two recommendations.
1 - Frame.work with Linux on it
2 - MacbookUnless you’re tight on cash, those are the two best options. Heck, even if you are tight on cash, get a used version of either of the above, you’ll probably do just fine.
Unless you’re REALLY tight on cash, then get an ebay thinkpad and load linux.
Was recently asked for hardware preferences for a new job and my list was basically that. Framework with Linux -> MacBook -> Some other Linux Laptop - Windows.
Used Thinkpad is also a solid alternative if the power of apple silicon is not needed
Kinda disappointed in the recent Thinkpads since they removed deep sleep and only have sleep to idle which is garbage in my experience. I ended up re-enabling hibernate because it would get less than 8 hours on battery while sleeping and would cook in my bag once put into sleep. The framework (at least the 13 not sure on the pro) still supports deep as far as I’m aware.
this can also work because they will at some point get sold down for lower prices so it’s not like people that can’t afford a new one can’t buy a second hand one. A SH framework will be better than any shitty other laptop in the long run.
Yes, pretend it’s something wrong with the right idea (a repairable /upgradable device) and not the fact that America took a giant, wet trump all over the entire economy and a combo meal at mcdonalds is $16 with a small, non-refillabke drink and everything else is exponentially fucked from there.
Give us a reasonable pre-trump PC market, with this being a slight premium above that, do projections to normalize cost of ownership over say 10 years and it would grow. But we live here, so no.
Please make a post in response to this one because you really got your stuff together on knowing facts
Edit: Not a jab at post OP either just saying we need repairable laptops and when it becomes norm even cheaper ones will be good
You think trump caused, or even had anything to do with current pc prices? 🤣
Tariffs made many things more expensive for consumers including computers and parts, yes.
Tariffs have nothing to do with it, clearly, when countries other than the US have the same prices and issues with RAM and other pc parts.
So when I work with the procurement department to make accurate cost estimates based on tariffs, specifically, that’s just a hallucination. Good thing I have Internet trolls to snap me out of it.
Tariffs on RAM and semiconductors haven’t even started yet you turkey lol.
As I said, RAM prices have exploded all over the world. Trumps tariffs don’t affect other countries. They exploded BEFORE any tariffs were announced. The announced tariffs haven’t even begun being enforced yet lol
Bullshit. There’s been 20-25% tarrifs on ALL goods from China, Mexico, and Canada.
There have not. Google it. Google tariffs on ram.
One of the ram manufacturers is in America btw.
You’d have to be borderline mentally invalid to ignore the impact trump has had on the entirety of American business and the economy, let alone the RAM crisis him and his loser AI cronies are causing.
You think Trump is responsible for AI companies buying all the RAM and SSDs?
TDS at its best.
Donald Trump’s administration literally writes the laws of the country and can absolutely limit and regulate AI companies but they chose not to and in fact paid open AI in government contracts for their garbage.
Do you even know anything about this subject or are you just hoping trump sees this and offers to let you suck his little weenie?
So you think they should have made laws to stop AI companies from buying hardware? Based on what? Why?
You can’t blame an administration for companies buying things from other companies in bulk lol. You do not want a government making ad-hoc laws to stop things like that, that is an absolutely insane thing to even suggest.
It has nothing to do with trump. How about you try and look at things not just through a “how can I blame this on trump?” lense?
A few AI companies made deals for future fabrication from a literal oligopoly of RAM makers.
Consumers are getting locked out, are you even paying attention?
Buying years worth of future fabrication for shit that other industries and consumers need is anti competitive as fuck.
Bro open a fucking book for 5 minutes or something holy shit you’re dense.
I think he’s saying, in this particular instance is that Trump’s fault? It’s B2B, and probably would have happened regardless of who’s POTUS (see GPU shortages under Biden’s term).
Don’t get me wrong, Trump is totally interventionist as long as it personally benefits his family. But this far he’s not made any plays wrt to supply/demand of hardware. From whats been officially released, the only interventionism he’s done wrt AI companies is get then them to have backdoors and be used for military applications.
Anti competitive? What? Lol. How?
RAM makers are free to sell their entire allocation to a single buyer if they want. You’re telling me that you want the government to make laws to prevent that? What would that law look like?
Do you even realise what you’re saying? You want the government to come in and tell companies who to sell their product to and how much they get. That is absolutely fucking laughable. That’s not what a government is for lol
Unironically accusing someone of having TDS in 2026 sure is a sight to behold.
Accusing trump of causing the AI RAM-pocalypse is nothing other than TDS.
Moving the goalposts from PC prices being higher to the rampocolypse just to lick boots harder is the real tds.
This is kinda like when I saw a piece of plywood nailed awkwardly to a tree with some shit about tDS spray painted on it. Showing your own ass there bud.
RAM-pocalypse is why PC prices are higher 🤣🤡🤣🤡
I* want* to buy one. But:
- I’m mid cycle with my last laptop; and
- who the hell can afford to buy RAM for a new system these days?!?!
Even if I could afford ram, that doesn’t even mean I can afford a framework laptop. I’ve looked at them every time I’ve thought about buying a laptop, but they’re just so damn expensive and I already have a perfectly good desktop.
I hear you. My philosophy changed about 20years ago when Apple switched to Intel:
Mac laptops are expensive, but I regularly get 4-6 years from them without too much drama if I simply max out the ram when I buy them.
My thinking of my eventual move to Linux full time, a Framework or System76 machine costs similar to a Mac, and use the same Max ram philosophy.
I just wish the build quality was just a bit better for the price, but I’m willing to trade a little for user serviceability…
My problem with apple is that they’re a shitty anti-consumer company, so i won’t ever buy anything from them. (I also just really dislike macos. have to use it for work now and jesus it is awful)
Honestly if the average person can’t buy it at Best Buy or Target, they won’t. Most people don’t know about this stuff.
Wherever a random coworker or family member asks me which of two laptops to buy, it’s always between a couple of prebuilt machine at a big box retailer.
I love the idea of Framework myself, but I can’t afford to buy one.
Too niche for the average buyer, too expensive for the rest of us.
This is rage bait
They are expensive up front. I have one of the first 11th generation Intel ones. I bought a new CPU fan last year instead of getting a new laptop. One of my kids dropped it, and I’ll need a new screen for it here soon.
Instead of buying 3 laptops, I bought 1 and repaired it. Super worth it.
I own one 🤷♂️ they’re expensive but I’d recommend em nonetheless
Who would have thought a more expensive, more premium product would have a hard time finding customers during a time when people are struggling to pay bills and cant even afford the non-existent dollar menu at mcdonalds anymore.
Thing is, they feel decidedly less premium (while sure as fuck being more expensive), which doesn’t help the case
and lets face it, by the time its out of warranty and old enough to need any kind of easy repair… the replacement parts are probably gonna cost as much as a newer, much more up to date laptop from another company.
Which is inherently the problem with repair ability in general.
I run into the same problem with cellphones… I could replace the battery in mine and run it for another 6 years, or I could get a much newer (used) phone for the same price, and end up with a almost 100% new battery AND much better hardware.
but parts will never be made cheap enough to be reasonable and affordable, because people will just buy the parts and assemble the product themselves. So parts have to be at least as expensive as buying the new thing, if not more expensive, to discourage the act itself.
I wanted to buy one, but they are veeery expensive, almost twice for a similarly specd laptop. Plus thet don’t offer OLED screens.
bullshit, similar spec laptop AT WORST is ~100-150 USD more, if you are looking at 2x price, on similar spec, you are looking at a no name brad with the worst of the worst parts, that will 1000% fail in less than 6 months and will fall apart in less than a year.
I went to see to compare against a Thinkpad (E14).
Framework Laptop 13: $1140 for the Ultra 5 125H, 8GB, 256GB Lenovo E15: $1120 for the Ultra 5 225u 16GB, 256GB
Lenovo price is a “sale” on their site off the “list price” of $1340
Framework wins:
- The H series processor is superior to the U series, even if older model -More custo options in general - eg I can choose 16gb in 1 stick vs 2 sticks, or I can choose “none” (also for SSD) -I can choose No OS and save some money there
Framework loses: No Core 5 in stock. I don’t need a 7, that’s $2-300 I don’t need to spend
Framework Neutral: No 256SSD in stock. But I do have the option to get no SSD and just buy my own. Arguably a win for me but not ideal for some
I’m unclear if Laptop 13 is the correct comparison vs a Laptop 13 Pro. The E14 is a mid-tier pro model, not a top of the line, which is where I tend to chill with laptops since they’re not my dailies anyway).
Anyway, as someone shopping for a laptop, I see that prices are the same. Given this, Framework wins.
HOWEVER: If I was actually shopping for a laptop, I would buy a used older-model E14 on Ebay for say $400. I know it would last, they’re repairable, and for the cost I could buy spare parts now. Because this is a secondary (1/week) device for me, I wouldn’t spend $1100 on a laptop in general. Not when Thinkpads are ppossibly the next-most-repairable laptop out there.
Ultimate calculus - Framework isn’t for me. Yet.
Now, if I had the money for activism? Sure, let’s get more of these into the 2nd hand market, stop the waste. Or no second hand market at all, just upgrade like a Desktop.
At some point, I may have no need for a desktop. At that point, $1100 for a primary PC is a good price, esp if I can build on it. If I was a laptop user, me who like custo and upgradeability - Framework is a fair value, good price even.
Anyway, to the point of the comment chain above me, I would say it’s a 1:1 price. If you’re shopping in that spec range anyway. If you need lower spec than Core Ultra 5H, say Ultra/Ryzen 3U, Framework doesn’t target that audience - and neither do quality [major] OEMs (you might find a great sale somewhere of course). But basically a well-built mid-tier laptop just costs $1000-$1200 new these days (I’d have said $800-$1000 before the price hikes recently).
HOWEVER
your however is pointless. This is not a second hand market, you are comparing apples to cars. They are not the same. Your first points are somewhat ok.
No activism here, obviously you dont grasp how cheaper this gets long term even compared to second hand laptops. I have the 13. I will give you few examples now - talking in general here, not a specific laptop but a good majority.
My SSD dies I change it, yours is soldered (ESPECIALLY ON MAC) you BUY a new laptop.
My Ram dies or i want to upgrade it, I change it, yours is soldered (many have it now like asus, acer etc. for no reason, no LLM usability or speed chase) you BUY a new laptop at best sell off this one at a loss and buy a new one.
I break my display or display frame, I change the display EASILY or the display frame with a simple snap - YOU BUY A NEW LAPTOP your old is salvaged for few parts and is useless as 99.9% of people cant change their laptop monitor as its hard and in some cases deliberately made impossible to do.
My needs change, i need to change from HDMI to Display port or USB C port for display out etc. (real case for me) I simply buy 2 new ports for 40 usd, you buy a new laptop at best sell this one off at a huge loss.
I drop my laptop and my chassis break, I buy a new chassis, you buy a new laptop and trow this one in the bin with few salvaged parts.
this one is specific to linux users … i buy the laptop, EVERYTHING works out of the box, you thinker and there is a 50/50 chance few of the parts are not optimized or they outright dont have drivers for linux.
Now here is the kicker … I use my laptop for 5 years, I dont wnat to spend 2k on a laptop, I simply by a new mobo and upgrade only that, and you know what ? I can re-use my old mobo in a case as a PC, homelab, server, media station OR sell it on a big re-sale market and re-coup some of my money, thus the purchase of my new mobo gets cheaper.
Ow my old laptop is too old now and the camera quality is bad, the speakers are weak the fingerprint is slow, the touchapd is old ? good news … there are 3 generations of reversions, my hinges are weak ? again, new revisions your battery is old ? ha … good nows again, there are 3 types of batteries that you can buy NOT from china re-branded second had batteries for your laptop that under the hood are re-used old ones charging you as new ones, but a new one, bigger, better, faster you ? you buy 2x batteries from china, spend 400 usd because there are none sold officially anywhere because your manufacturer moved long time ago to newer models and then after you lost those money as you got scammed you buy a new laptop.
I can go on much more btw … but this got too long :) I think you get the picture :) There is no activism here my friend, its smart purchasing and investment in NOT spending shit ton of money and owning what i use. You do not own your computer. I bet your lenovo, if something breaks, try your luck with the lenovo warranty … see what happens (speaking from experience there).
your however is pointless.
Edit3: I thought about it and you’re right, the point is irrelevant in the context of this thread. Really should have been a separate comment re/ the target market.
The cheapest 32 GB + 1 TB + 1 HDMI + 1 USB A + 2 USB C + Charger + Windows 11 model I found is the Framework 12, which has a slower CPU than my actual laptop. Those specs costs $1400 USD, shipping to my country would cost some extra $100 USD. I bought my Lenovo laptop with those + OLED display for $900 + shipping. Fair, is not double the price, but also far more than $150 USD.
I was considering a framework but realized i didn’t need a laptop. lol
Would like one, though!
