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Wheat doesn’t need to be grown in a marsh.
My understanding is that rice doesn’t need to be soaking in water, either, but it helps with the weeds, since rice can survive the water but not other plants
Very cool to learn something new! Thanks for informing me homie.
Wait until you learn about the ridiculous hoops you need to jump through to make cocoa or coffee beans into something palatable, especially compared to
hot leaf juicetea.Cacao isn’t too bad. Eat the fruit, spit out the seeds into a pile, ferment a few days, roast, peal, grind and you got it. There are some details to the ferment but it’s not more complicated than any other ferment d food.
As I understand it, the hard parts are removing the bitterness and getting the texture to be anything other than unpleasantly gritty. The traditional Meso-american cocoa was a spicy bitter drink; what we think of as “chocolate” today wasn’t invented until fairly recently and requires a fairly involved process.
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Wheat is just fancy grass. People learned how to process wheat before they learned how to wipe their asses with a communal sponge on a stick.
Wheat calories are what unlocked the big brain thinking that first said, “Guys, let’s put just ONE sponge on a stick. And share it!”
When humanity discovered bread it made their heads and brains smaller. We all need dental work because of bread - our heads are too small for our teeth.
Bread?
Agriculture. Otherwise explain how cultures that cultivate rice or maize or yams where no wheat grows also experienced the same morphological changes.
Wheat was the first farmed plant, about 10k years ago, at least the first we can see in the archaeological record. I shouldn’t have said “bread” as that was at least hundreds of years later
I’m not sure whether the Nile region invented bread before they exported farming
My friend. 10K years ago humans already occupied Asia, the Americas, and Southern Africa.
None of them had wheat. But the jaw shrinkage theory applies to them.
How would jaws shrink in MesoAmerica when wheat didn’t arrive until 500 years ago?
Cultivated corn.
How did jaws shrink in Asia when wheat was not cultivated widely and was not made into bread?
Cultivated rice.
How did jaws shrink in SubSahan Africa where wheat simply can not grow? 100% of bread made in most African nations is made from imported flour.
Cultivated millet, sorghum, rice, and yams.
Then why would groups that don’t have bread, and in many cases have only had access to bread for 4 or 5 generations, experience jaw shrinkage thousands of years ago? There’s literally billions of people pointing to the fact that is agriculture.
This isn’t conspiracy theory stuff. Even the wiki page says it’s agriculture.
It’s OK to realize you were told wrong by someone else. It’s not your fault. It’s not an L, it’s learning.
Rice needs very wet and fairly warm conditions to grow whereas wheat is a cool weather crop and doesn’t need as much water
A person probably made some fermented wheat beverage on accident and thought its worth repeating.
I once made prison wine by accident by leaving a bottle of Coke under my bed for a couple weeks.
I didn’t drink it but it smelled really strong.
Dehulling rice is way harder than processing wheat…
Also eating boiled wheat grains was a thing long before bread was figured out.
You can make bread with rice flour too if that’s your thing.
“Bread” with rice flour, maybe.
My mom has celiac disease and while the options for gluten free bread have gotten a lot better since the 80s she still sneaks a slice of real sourdough because it’s not the same.
You can all tropical cultures have some form of rice bread. Indians have rice bhakhari, South East Asia has rice paper, rice mixed with wheat in banh mi, Liberia and Sierra Leone have ginger rice bread. Its a fundamentally different bread and requires different complimentary food. If you use it as replacement for wheat bread it will not taste the same. Its like you made wheat pilav and then complained its not the same. Of course it’s not the same that’s the point.
It depends on how we’re defining bread, and none of your examples are a leavened loaf. They’re just impossible to make without gluten which rice doesn’t have. (Hence why they add wheat to make banh mi.)
However, bulgur pilaf is a lot more like a rice pilaf than those breads are like wheat bread.
Wheat is not that difficult to process.
Beer. It was always beer.
How did people who wiped their ass with a communal sponge on a stick figure out beer?
the beer came way, WAAAAAAY before the communal ass sponge, which was a uniquely roman piece of nonsense afaik
and we all know how well the romans managed, in the end.
The communal sponge was a feature, not a bug 😂
Yeah let me just replace these rolling wheat hills with a rice farm. It’d totally work because wheat and rice have the same growing conditions. Dumbass
The stupid level of processing is…boiling it? Same as rice, people only discover processing it a bit later.
If you think about it then boiling is not that easy.
There is almost no way to boil something until you discover pottery and ceramic, and this is quite advanced tech for many early civilizations.
The Haida on the west coast of Canada put red hot rocks in their canoes to render fish. You underestimate humans ingenuity.
you don’t even need a canoe, just something that’s vaguely water resistant that you can line a pit in the ground with.
Humans are very clever. Sometimes I feel very clever because I have learned so many cool facts and skills with the internet, and then I think about all the knowledge I hold that people of the past managed to figure out from scratch, and it blows my mind
wheat has almost twice as much protein. A wheat-fed peasant, you’re probably going to be stronger and healthier than a riice-fed peasant.
i think the problem is that people these days wholly associate wheat with bleached core flour, which kind of fucking sucks.
Even just going with whole wheat flour makes a big difference in nutrition
Because if you let it sprout a bit, then roast it, then boil it, then let it sit…
Well you get beer.
Plus rice also needs to be polished, which is a not insignificant amount of processing.
Brown rice isn’t polished, though, right?
yeah, brown rice is just whole grain rice. It’s pretty sad how we’ve culturally forgotten that you can just fucking eat grains without dehulling them, grinding them, sifting the flour, and fucking bleaching it so it’s white as chalk.
whole grains are great, every sensible food administration is begging people to eat whole grains because it’s such a simple way to massively improve your nutrition
