• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    9 days ago

    But Biden did take some action.

    Yes, he took the action of sending them even more weapons than what congress had appropriated.

    The US even built a port to send in aid.

    They built a port and when Israel told them the exact same thing they told everyone else, that they wouldn’t allow aid, they closed the port, accomplishing nothing in a way that was extremely predicable. It never had any purpose other than scoring political points. They got month of pretending it was going to do something out of it, and people like you are still citing it.

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      9 days ago

      Yes, he took the action of sending them even more weapons than what congress had appropriated.

      Thank goodness Trump stopped that, oh wait

      Also you ever notice that people barely talk about the genocide anymore?

      We know there’s no way to change Trump’s opinion on Palestine, and now we are fully focused on stopping him from starting new wars or sending ICE around the country to murder dissenters. Those that cared now have to focus on pressing domestic issues. If Kamala was president we’d still be focused on ending the genocide and there was at least a chance there would have been an end or progress, but now the current trajectory is the genocide will not be stopped and we’ll probably not have elections again

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        There was no way of “changing Kamala’s mind.” If there was, it would have been through exerting pressure before the election. Once she knew that pro-Palestine people would fall in line even when she was 100% pro-Israel, she would have absolutely no reason to change positions, if anything, she’d be more likely to become more pro-Israel, because the pro-Israel voters would be more likely to be swing voters. This is why the ideology of “lesser-evilism” is fundamentally incorrect, and how it led to politics shifting further and further right to the point we’re at now.

        Please explain exactly what mechanism do you think could’ve been employed to change her mind. Protests? There were widespread campus protests during the election season, and she still didn’t respond to them at all.

        And why would she? The left has a proven track record of falling in line behind the lesser evil, no matter how much bluster there might be. Based on that assumption, the politically smart move (if all you care about is winning elections) is to completely ignore all of the left’s demands and keep moving further and further right forever. Now, we have something to show that our words are not meaningless, hollow threats. If there is any possibility of stopping the rightward shift through electoralism, this is it.

        we’ll probably not have elections again

        Obviously we will. Not that it will matter, because the two party system is completely fucked and y’all refuse to do anything about it.

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          8 days ago

          Obviously we will

          Damn you people are dense. It’s not like the sitting president has been talking about canceling elections…oh wait

          All you voting objectors did was lead to more dead minorities. The people Trump’s new Reich is targeting. We have a fascist military in our streets killing people and all you can do is still whine about how Kamala was flawed.

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            8 days ago

            Obviously, you can’t be reasoned with, so I won’t bother. Just know that I’m just as committed to my approach as ever.

            When the next election happens (after you wipe the egg off your face) I suggest you take into account that people like me exist, and that we’re not bluffing, and we’re not going to “come to our senses,” and you should factor that into your evaluation of which candidates are actually electable.

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                8 days ago

                I didn’t help ICE murder anyone. Is Claudia de la Cruz ordering the raids?

                You, on the other hand, do have blood on your hands from the Palestinians you helped murder.

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                  8 days ago

                  And this is our fundamental disagreement. No action I could take would have stopped the US’s support of the genocide.

                  However there was 1 action that I chose to take that could have prevented those murders. You chose in-action resulting in more deaths

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                    8 days ago

                    you helped ice murder

                    You chose in-action

                    If inaction is “helping,” then rest assured that I helped Kamala get elected and am prepared to do so again.